The subject of memory and K is  interesting.  When one lives fully in the present, I would say that memory can't exist. Krishnamurti said he did not remember anything from his childhood. He would address people as "Sir " to avoid people realizing he didn't know the names of those he was speaking to. :)

"Krishnamurti's thoughts about his memory are contained in a letter from Mary Lutyens to Nethercot, when the latter had requested her to raise the question of Krishnamurti's memory again. She wrote that "there is no question of amnesia; he is just not interested in the past and cannot bring his mind to it and cannot see its importance....He wouldn't be able to tell you what happened a fortnight ago....He is very fully alive in the present and excited about what goes on inside himself from day to day. What that is it is impossible to for he lives in a world and state of consciousness so different from the that one can scarcely glimpse it..." (74)"

from:  _http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/thopv/kandwt.html_
(http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/thopv/kandwt.html)

I find my own memory is iffy--especially regarding time. Hard to know if it's aging or K. But my memory seems to be fairly sharp about remembering things that are K related! :)

I wonder if and how others have experienced changes in memory pre/post Kawakening.

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Dear List,

My memory was sharp pre- K as well as my ability to notice and perceive what is around me. I cannot seem to understand how to get from X to Y back to X without realizing my mind went elsewhere--to Z or all the way back to W.

I find I have to focus very hard to complete tasks such as counting money, figuring out how to manage time, even now I am having difficulty remembering what I've struggled with this past week. However, when I studying bookkeeping, I can do the work and get a 4.0 but I cannot remember to find time to study in my week because I am trying to understand so many other things and how to incorporate them with the K experience.

My mind feels like it is constantly going, until I close my eyes and silence it through meditation. Yet I find it very difficult to get this silence, this calmness during my daily activities. Despite this, no one seems to notice my ordeal. I don't talk to anyone about this because they wouldn't understand.

Namaste,
LA
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Absolutely !!!

  I thought  was a slight  Alzhaimer   LOL

Post K
Time, names, dates,  a lot of info seems not to be in  my  pc/ brain anymore


Besides,   I ask to myself a lot now,
*Did I dream it or really happened* 
Many times I ask around,
*Was I there???
I get the answer
Of course you were there !! LOL

Pre K..
I could rememeber quotes, books,  names even pages,
theories, dates etc.

What a relief !!
To read about Krishanmurti  .-)))

Much love
Y
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>
> I wonder if and how others have experienced changes in memory pre/post K
> awakening.

I'm not sure if anyone else does this but I found a way of remembering
things that works well when I'm clear. It's like a visualisation but I call
it 'future placing'. Simply I just imagine myself doing something in advance
of doing it. I'll give you an example, lets say, I'm leaving my home in the
morning and realise I need to pay a bill later. Then I'll imagine myself
walking in through the door in the evening and immediately remembering that
I should pay the bill. (an image of the bill is in my mind). More often than
not I find this works. The exception is if I've had a tiring or challenging
day and I'm too polluted to be able to recognise the event.

For my everyday memory sometimes it's very sharp and sometimes it's like
trying to squeeze water out of a stone. It's sharpness is directly related
to how clean my inner space is.

Memory to me has two components; there is the process of recall itself and
the clarity of the memory. Sometimes I can recall something (I can sense the
memory there) but I'm hopeless to dig out the details. Like a time I was
with some friends and trying to remember the names of some people that might
have been with us during the time.

Other times I could remember much more and the answers to any question over
the details are just there. Like I was waiting for the question and already
knew before the question was asked. When this happens I find I surprise
myself as I never normally believe I can remember things in such detail.

I'm not sure if 'memory' is the right word for me. It's more like my helper
that brings bits of images and knowledge to my foresight when in a
situation.

That's different to my memory which I consider like something I can retain
in my mind like a phone number after being dialled so many times becomes
imprinted.


When I explore my inner realm, often I find bits of past events that have
some karmic content. Sometimes going into them is like I'm looking at a
photo and remembering how things were in that scene. Quite weird and
sometimes quite exciting. I remember colours seemed much more colourful when
I was younger. That could be that my vision gets darker as I age though.

I've occasionally had insights like after I lost something such as some keys
and I'd ask where is the keys and get an insight of the place where they
are. I'm not sure what process is at work here. Like a knowing / intuition.


So writing here, recollections and interpretations. In the back of my mind
things keep popping up. And I'm not sure what that process is. Like pulling
a piece of string out of myself. As I write what comes up new ideas and
images present themselves.

Someone once told me that interest in something is directly related to my
karma. So if I find it interesting to explore about a new culture then it's
because I have unresolved karma which can be addressed through going into
that area in my external life.

Eventually I'll no doubt run out of karmic stuff (whether it writing about
memories or being at odds with the world) and just see the empty truth of
something which is where I burst out laughing for no reason.


To see everything as a blessing is the hardest part. Even when I blame
others for my pain I should see that at one level I asked for it.


r
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I think that if we are using our memory then we will be taken out of the
present momentarily but this is necessary at times. Responsibility exists in
the present, and our focus should be on our responsibility, if that means
using our memory in the present moment then thats what where we should be.

Before I don't think that my memory was really that much different. If I
become attatched to something that I shouldn't, then daily performance will
be effected.

I initially started to get interested in things like K, not for spirituality
but to help me with my mind. I wanted to improve my performance at school.
That performance did improve but it did not happen over night.

S
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I've found that I always receive the memories I need at the right time, and
just the right memory. It happens when I am grounded and present. All the
information I need becomes available. It's only the little "me" that wants
to control and keep track of the memories.. 

It's much easier to let the infinite mind take care of the memories and
hand them to me when needed.. Trying to keep track of them all through
effort.. the very idea gives me a headache. Brain overload. :)

Namaste
G
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Before my K, I was seriously ill for about 35 years.......I only have a few memories of my childhood, it was so traumatic.  My memory only becomes clear within the past decade or so, but even that is limited.   When I look back, it feels like the different relationships and time periods are past lifetimes, not parts of the past of this one.  Who I was then is not who I am now.  When friends bring up past memories, even affectionately, it often makes me feel uncomfortable.....because I'm a different person now and have little or no memory of that event. 

Dr. Melvin Morse has written that they actually don't know where memory is located in the brain, and he believes that memory actually resides outside the brain, that is, in our super-consciousness or higher self.....and that explains how after death, consciousness leaves the body yet we still maintain all memories.  This is also documented in those psychiatrists who do past-life research, such as Dr. Brian Weiss, and in that other great book, "Journey of Souls." 

So I think we do remember every second, nothing is lost......in that part of our consciousness that's eternal......yet it's the ability to access that information in the physical incarnation that fluxuates. 

Peace,

L

 

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hi everyone

I have had a significant memory change since my k
activity has begun. I only have mild activity so
far-I've been taking things pretty slowly. Anyway, I
wasn't sure what to think of the memory thing when it
began since I used to have a really spectacular almost
photographic memory for everything....even stuff I
didn't want to remember, like people's credit card
numbers...teee hee....Anyhow, I thought that maybe my
memory loss was fallling away-I swear , I forget my
own phone number some days- just as many things that I
used to rely on have been falling away. I wasn't sure
if was kundalini's way of teaching me to live more
from my essence...you know how she has a way of just
tearing down everything that you *thought* was holding
you upright in this life!!??
namaste
H




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The memory subject surely is interesting to me. I've grown more and more into spirituality and have a very hard time engaging myself in anythingexcept for the extreme moment. That means that I hardly remember anything from what I've done. I'ts almost like it's not longer a part of me as soon as it has happened.

People sometimes ask me "what did you do in the weekend?", and I really dont remember anything at all. It gives me trouble at work because I cant remember stuff, and then Im actually pretty useless. I believe memory has to do with beeing solidly planted in the muladhara witch means that one have to sort of live the mephisto side along with the good side.

I also have had some short experiences where everything came to me when I needed it, all the right information and words, but then I was very close to my devil-side, and now Im scared to activate that part of me. Integrating the devil into ones being should be the sure way of having a great memory. He is also one of the children of God, and always the clever one. I find it hard exploring that part of my nature as it is so extremely scary. But everytime I do get into that mode, nothing intellectual is a challenge - it's just funny.

The problem in that mode is that everything in life is pure instrumental, and therfore one feels a hundred percent isolated
from everything and everyone. It is possible to love at the same moment, but very hard. What I think is that as long as I don't remember anything Im not supposed to try to do it. But staying grounded is allways neccesary to take that test.

Memory is also the reason why I don't easily talk to others. It simply take to much time and effort remembering the words I need to express myself.

Hk


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>>I also have had some short experiences where
>> everything came to me when I needed it, all the
>> right information and words, but then I was
>> very close to my devil-side, and now Im scared
>> to activate that part of me. Integrating the devil
>>into ones being should be the sure way of having
>> a great memory.

I don't quite understand what you consider to be your "devil-side" and
why it is so scary for you to activate it. And why does it have such a
strong influence on your memory?


Bannaght lhiat

 

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>that test. Memory is also the reason why I don't easily talk to others. It
>simply take to much time and effort remembering the words I need to express
>myself.

haha I know about this one!

Recently I have been noticing that if I stop and think of what I am going to
say in response to someone that sometimes they get bewildered as to why I am
taking time to think of a perfect  response.

I believe too that part of our memory exists partly outside of the brain.
Only part though, because our mind can remember some things at certain
times, like remembering that it needs to remember something, but not other
things.

When I don't think before I speak sometimes I vocally masturbate until I
spit out the right words. Sometimes an F word slips out. Typically it gets
easier as time goes by (as I ascend).

S

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I can relate to you on this on some level. It is as if
my mind is part of a spiritual plane and when I try to
speak to people and concetrate, I find it makes it
harder to express my thoughts, feelings, ideas, etc,
in certain situations. Sometimes I will say something
I was unaware was going to come out of my mouth. I try
to sound perfect in my responses so I won't make a
cryptic or spiritual message out of what I sense from
them--it is not really related to our conversation but
is on another level. This can be disconserting at
times, not to mention distracting.

> When I don't think before I speak sometimes I
> vocally masturbate until I
> spit out the right words. Sometimes an F word slips
> out. Typically it gets
> easier as time goes by (as I ascend).
>
>
>

How embarrassing! This has happened to me. Thanks for
the information that it gets easier.

Love and Peace,
LA

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     My experience was to have more memories. Past life regressions started
with me about 10 years ago and have been the spice of my dreamworld ever
since.
I came onto this list looking for standards about Kundalini I could write
down in a book. So far there is only one entry
There are no standards!!

     As I have stated before Kali ma will give you what you need. Allow
this, don't fight it, and trust it. I do not believe she will ever take
anything from your memory that would seriously comprimise your lifestyle
unless she was trying to tell you it is time to change something within it.

Kundalini seeks to devour your ego, in your case that means less information
In my case it meant more information
In my wife's case it meant Nothing either way

So don't worry about it so much
Let it go, and remember that K is there to make you a happier better person

- ""What we call happiness in the strictest sense comes from the
(preferably sudden) satisfaction of needs which have been dammed up to a
high degree"". Sigmund Freud


Peace and Love
A
K
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