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Subject: RE:  [K-list] Hello all...i'm new and want to say hello 
From: Susan
  
On 2004/11/17  04:44, Susan posted thus to the K-list: 
  
 
 Aura, 
 
Glenn asked me to send this on to you. 
 
Susan 
 
  
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: glenn m [mailto:spider1ATstructurex.net]  
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:02 PM 
To: Susan 
Subject: Re: [K-list] Hello all...i'm new and want to say hello 
 
  
 
Comments below, Glenn 
 
  
-----Original Message----- 
From: Aura  
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:23 PM 
To: K-listATkundalini-gateway.org 
Subject: RE: [K-list] Hello all...i'm new and want to say hello 
 
Thanks for the reply Susan, it was a link from you that got me to the 
k-list in the first place. So my kundalini is awake now...cool!!!. 
Although 
it doesnt feel like it is right now, nothing much has happened since 
then,  
except that i have noticed that i am more aware of peoples feelings and  
intentions, as well seeing sparks of light quite often (although this 
was happeneing before the november 3 incident), as well as having more 
chi(maybe thats from practice), noticing the aura in my hands gettting 
stronger as 
i move the energy through them. 
 
I think kundalini might have been awake before this though. I remember  
being woken up in the middle of the night with an intense feeling coming 
from my heart chakra, i cannot describe it but it was very positive, 
love. But it went away as i started to wake up. I've grown quite a bit 
over 
the past year when i think of how i was...glad things are in motion. 
 
  
 
IT DOES APPEAR YOU ARE IN PROCESS. IT IS NEVER OVER ONCE IT STARTS SO 
PAY ATTENTION AND ENJOY THE RIDE. THE REALLY INTERESTING STUFF STARTS 
ABOUT THREE YEARS INTO IT, AFTER THE SPINE DOES THE BIG RUSH THING THAT 
NEVER SUBSIDES IF YOU KEEP YOUR BREATHING SLOW. 
 
I got so exicted when i found kundalini-teacher.com. It has so much 
very useful info. 
 
As to Hatsumi having a different focus now...i don't think that is 
entirley true. Its the nature of the art that we study, ura and omote. 
The ura 
is hidden while the omote is shown, by its nature you cant see the ura 
untill you have the eyes and heart to see it. This years theme is Roppo 
kuji 
no Biken, and if you had been to japan you would have noticed that the  
spiritual side of things is being explored. For example: Two guys from 
my dojo went to the hombu at the start of the year and i had an 
opportunity 
to talk to one of them while on the train back from training. The book 
of 
five rings and The life giving sword were studied (there may be 
more...the  
unfetered mind by Takuan Soho, but those two are ones i know for sure)  
 
I MAKE ALL MY STUDENTS READ MUSASHI AND TAKUAN IS A FAVORITE OF MY OWN. 
 
 
Hatsumi said that musahi didnt go far enough; to stop at the void is not 
all there is. There are more than five levels, there is actually a 
sixth, 
the spirit world. We must be able to operate in both the physical and 
the  
spiritual. Live the dual mandala. (people here would already know about 
this, but i am just saying it to illustrate that the enlightenment 
aspect is still a very real part in the Bujinkan) I would like to hear 
your  
perspective on how things have changed. I've only been training for 
about two and a half years. 
 
IN THE EARLY YEARS UNDER HAYES IT WAS DISCUSSED BUT ATTACHED TO MIKKYO. 
 
 
Has anyone noticed that the kuji sybol looks like a representation of 
the Godai. The left half looks like a floating spirit (to me anyway) and 
the right half looks like the Godai, although not a straight spine, its 
a  
metaphor maybe. its hard to explain. 
 
NEVER NOTICED. I'LL LOOK FOR IT. 
 
 
I do know what you are talking about though in regards to satori in the  
Bujinkan. It like a taboo subject, its annoying, and a bit rediculous. 
They all want to hide there knowledge, which in the end ammounts to 
nothing. I've stoped even attempting to talk about pretty much anything 
related 
to energy, chakras etc, i did a little in the begining but now why 
bother  
anyway, i can find my own way, i have so far.  
 
WELL YOU HAVE FOUND YOUR WAY TO THE SENSEI. YOU SEEM TO BE DOING FINE TO 
ME. 
 
 
I don't think it really matters if the mob thinks Glenn is crazy. As 
long as some understand, then does it really matter. Hatsumi 
understands, 
and he is Soke, maybe he has adjusted his teaching for the crowd and now 
uses  
Kyojustu tenkan ho to get his message accross. I can see it in his 
recent writings. Its like the densho, even if you read it you won't get 
it, my 
understanding is that you only get the densho after you pretty much  
understand it. They are reference points.  
 
HATSUMI CAN BE PRETTY SLY AND HE LOVES PUNS AND RIDDLES SO ANALOGY AND 
METAPHOR IS JUST MORE FUN FOR HIM. IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN HIS NEW COFFEE 
TABLE BOOK ON THE BUJINKAN BE SURE TO NOTICE HOW THE PICTURES ARE 
ARRANGED.  
 
Again i'm interesting Glenn and your perspectives on this. 
 When you guys come in december, maybe you could visit. 
 
Yes i am vulnuralble to attack, especialy in dreams. But its difficult 
to know whether the attackings are coming from outside, or are aspects 
of 
my shadow self. I have some very weird but intersting dreams that i 
could  
relate, as i sort of dont get them. I have had death come visit, which 
for however hard i tried to kil it, i could not. But i didnt become 
deathly 
ill later, and i think it might be because my teacher helped me out in 
the  
dream. I just felt AWFUL when i woke up. If you like i could tell you 
the dreams that i think were very relevent to my spirit, and maybe we 
could 
nut them out and learn some guidance form them. (it just means more 
typing 
and this is turning out to be a long post anyway). There have been 
occasions were i have fought and absolutly destroyed a demon, i woke up 
feeling 
very exilerated. This was before i found out about it being better to 
give 
up fear and anger, in the face of theses things. I read a story of the 
Budda being attacked by a great demon, with an army of many thousands 
demons. 
The shot flaming arrows and had all sorts of weapons, but the Budda just 
smiled and laughed, and could not affect him. 
 
THATS HOW YOU MAKE FRIENDS IN THE VOID. 
 
 
However is it ok to give them a whooping? 
 
STRONGER SPIRIT WINS! 
 
Since i have a lot of free time, i'm going to start doing the practices 
in path notes, and shadow strategies (i am already doing some: Budo 
Taijutsu heh) 
 
I have a bad problem with my upper back, its curved (Schuremenns disease 
) 
sp?: this is were the vertebra have become slightly wedge shaped which  
creates the curve, i am seeing a phsyiotherapist though), and i have 
slight scoliosis. How will this affect me, "kundalini like a straight 
spine 
etc" 
 
GET LOTS OF MASSAGE AND YOU SHOULD BE OK. MAY EVEN LOOSEN YOU UP SOME 
MORE. IF YOU CAN HANDLE REAL NINJUTSU YOU SHOULD BE JUST FINE. 
 
Also, what do you think of me hearing about Jesus in the last incident? 
 
I CAN ONLY GO FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE. JESUS HAS A FOLLOWING. 
 
I dont know much about hte different gods/goddesse. a.k.a Kali, except 
for what i read in shadow strategies. Could you say something on that? 
 
BUY A COUPLE OF BOOKS ON SYMBOLOGY AND ENCYCLOPEDIAS OF MYTHOLOGY AS 
THEY COME TO YOU. 
 
In regards to the kamae, i have noticed that when i hold ichimonji no 
kamae i feel energy energy moving...  
 
DO YOUR KAMAE REAL SLOW AND PAY ATTENTION. DO ALL OF THEM WITH 
APPROPRIATE INTENTION TOO.  
 
the Boss always goes to ichmonji before 
doko. I think this is a clue as to how he moves energy when moving 
through the 
kamae. Its seems like he pulls the energy up into ichimonji, then 
expands it more when going into doko (which is like he is getting ready 
to 
through a spear). Maybe his focus in training is not to concentrate on 
any one 
aspect of the Godai or kamae as some previoulsly thought, but to always 
move  
naturally between all and finnaly to give up the forms and live. 
 
YOU MUST MAKE YOUR WARRIORS WALK YOUR EVERYDAY WALK. GLENN 
 aura 
 
>From: "Susan"  
>To: "'aura'"  
>, 
>Subject: RE: [K-list] Hello all...i'm new and want to say hello 
>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:36:57 -0700 
> 
>>>Good thing you found Angelique's site. It is very, very good stuff. 
She 
>won't lead you wrong. Everything sounds like it is going OK. 
 
 
>Have fun, play, and welcome to the list. 
> 
>Susan 
> 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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