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Recieved: 2003/09/23  18:01  
Subject: Re: [K-list] Good fear/bad fear -- the understanding. 
From: Rita Metermaid
  
On 2003/09/23  18:01, Rita Metermaid posted thus to the K-list: 
  
 
Hi Elargonauto, Hi Rich, Everybody - 
 
I've really appreciated this thread, and all the 
thought that's gone into it... Helpful for some of my 
own thinking on fear... 
 
As usual, i seem to have more questions than answers. 
 
Rich's example of being caught in the riptide with 6 
foot swells elicited a sense of fear in me, too... And 
when i thought of that *fear* with his next example - 
the fear of heights and falling - i reacted strongly 
too (being really afraid of heights since falling 
while tree climbing)... But what i noticed is a 
difference in the two fears, and i wonder if anyone 
else would see it to... The feeling of being caught in 
the riptide felt like ok, you're in the middle of this 
terrifying wild ride and there is fear to the center 
of your being. It is real time and immediate. 
 
What i sensed when reading about the heights fear 
though felt more like anxiety or worry... Worried 
about falling... For me, if i were in the middle of a 
fall, i think it would then be a real fear - terror 
that i'm falling...  
 
Maybe i'm splitting hairs here, but the fear of 
falling seems anticipatory - tied to something that 
might happen in the future - and therefore could it be 
more a state of anxiety, of worry? 
 
If that's the case, would it be helpful to get 
grounded back in the now and remember that one's feet 
are still on the ground? Like maybe some self-talk and 
a visualization to remind oneself that the imagined 
future is an illusion and i am here, now, and whole 
(more or less)? 
 
But the skills needed to cope with the realtime fear - 
in the whirling waters would be different? 
 
Just a question, but i think there are two different 
approaches to dealing with them... 
 
Someone asked about whether the person in cardiac 
arrest, no pulse, with a minute left to live felt 
fear? People who have reported near-death-experiences 
don't seem to report fear, but calm. Me, i'm not 
afraid of death, but i am afraid of being horribly 
hurt and left in agony alive. 
 
My neighor and his wife ar family therapists, who work 
with children and teens who have been seriously 
abused. One thing he has used is a "Monster Box" - a 
foil-wrapped shoebox decorated appropriate for the 
child's age. When the kids are not able to talk 
through the trauma, whether recurring nightmares or 
real day-to-day horror, he has them draw pictures of 
it - of whatever the monster or situation is - and 
then they have a little ritual and the child puts the 
monster in the Monster Box... Gives the child 
permission to put the bad parts of life away... 
 
I've had some pretty rough trauma of my own, things 
that no amount of logic seems to get beyond 
sometimes...occasional flashbacks - not often but 
enough... I adapted their monster box ritual in a 
way... i light a candle, some incense, and write about 
whatever... i use a favorite green pen and just write 
and write and write... and then i burn the paper in a 
special bowl (my own monster box of sorts)... and 
whatever it was becomes literally ashes... and i think 
of it as ashes... and somehow it helps at times to 
think of the bad stuff as just a pile of ashes, dust 
in the wind... I was never able to confront the abuser 
within my own family, for a number of reasons, and so 
i did this with a series of letters to him over time 
that i burned... and each time it seemed to lessen the 
pain.... I don't keep the special bowl or candle in 
plain sight - who wants to be reminded by visual 
cues... 
 
Anyway, i am sorry this was so long. But i really do 
appreciate what you have all been sharing. For me, it 
seems like sometime there is no way to logic my way 
through old trauma, but a silly little ritual seems to 
help. 
 
love and light, 
rita 
 
 
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