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Recieved: 2003/06/11 02:54
Subject: Re: [K-list] Sexual Exploitations of Guru's
From: tyrone clerk


On 2003/06/11 02:54, tyrone clerk posted thus to the K-list:



Call me crazy but there are no hard and fast rules...only conventions. In a
free will universe all is permissable even that which may be grotesque and
horrify many. I think many gurus are expressing this level of realization.
My issue with it is when there is the hypocrisy of morality. However, in a
free will universe we are also free to lie or tell the truth. Our sexual
energy is one of the most potent forces in the universe. When combined with
love it is transformed from the sublime to the divine. All is permitted and
in the midst of the reality of truly soverign beings no one is ever really
taken advantage of...So, we should take great care in whom we invest our
power.

>From: "Julie D" <tarnie7 AT_NOSPAM optusnet.com.au>
>To: <K-list AT_NOSPAM kundalini-gateway.org>
>Subject: Re: [K-list] Sexual Exploitations of Guru's
>Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:53:00 +1000
>
>From: Xerxenca AT_NOSPAM aol.com
>
>On some cultural level I guess I agree with you. But in my actual
>experience - in life - I've found that power relations are almost always
>unequal and in flux. But it seems like sex is perfectly natural and "good"
>to happen anyway. I think even more than sex we have issues around power -
>it's very difficult to unravel. I've been spending a lot of time on it
>personally and I'm constantly surprised by new unconscious dimensions . . .
>I'd love to have some discussion of that topic soon. Maybe I'll sit down
>and
>type something up in a bit . . .
>
>But Guru's preaching morality?? Uhm - I would hope not! I wouldn't have
>much
>use for someone teaching Advaita who preached anything, certainly not
>something as culturally value bound as morality.
>
>I know there are plenty of puritanical Christian ministers and Catholic
>priests who might preach against sex and then get caught having sex - but
>that seems like the nonsense and psychological confusion bred of preaching
>against sex to begin with.
>
>AM
>
>*************
>
>Thank you for your post. I had been thinking about the question on and off
>yesterday and everytime I had a thought, I had another one that cancelled
>the first one out. Your post nicely rounded out the experience for me.
>
>I hope you do sit down and type something up on power.
>
>-Julie.
>

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