To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/06/01 17:24
Subject: RE: [K-list] Ignorance of Kundalini (or an equivalent concept)
From: Bhavin Desai
On 2003/06/01 17:24, Bhavin Desai posted thus to the K-list:
See my comments below (sorry for the delay)...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Druout AT_NOSPAM aol.com [mailto:Druout AT_NOSPAM aol.com]
>
> Well, Muktananda isn't the only one with this point of view. It's an
> ongoing theme with Sri Ramana Maharshi.
[Bhavin Desai] In a previous email you were not too keen about teachers,
and yet you quote several teachers (in various emails) even though I
feel that I at certain times you yourself may not really believe what
you are reading in their books (perhaps just agreeing because of their
high status). We have to be careful in reading what high level teachers
say, in the same way that a Top Ten Tennis star can give consultancy to
my 10 year old son but my son would not have the full
understanding/context about the subject matter. In this case, a
state/county teacher would be better. High aspirations are harder to
achieve and require a high level of effort.
> "No one wants realisation because there is no one who is not realised.
> Can
> any one say that he is not already realised or that he is a part from
the
> Self?
> No. Evidently all are realised. P. 442
>
> But of course from a practical point of view, you are right. :))
[Bhavin Desai] My teachers always emphasised the importance of
practicality. It is easy to read and write "airy fairy" stuff that
sounds good, but will not do anyone any practical good. All may be
realised (as quoted above), but not all are aware of it (see below).
> [Bhavin Desai] Yes. That's fine. How do you authenticate and
validate
> an internal Guru? There are certain risks and dangers.
>
> Touche! :))
>
> [Bhavin Desai]...Next, onto your question about what I am actually
> seeking.
> I am seeking that supreme ultimate stainless knowledge which after
> knowing there is nothing further to be known. It is extremely
difficult
> to find such knowledge, or a teacher to teach it. However, it can be
> acquired by other means too.
>
> I would say you already have the knowledge.
[Bhavin Desai] In the above sense, everyone has the knowledge. However,
I/we need help to get rid of the delusion that I/we am/are not realised
(see last sentence of Maharshi Ji below). The distinction is important.
> From Maharshi's Talks p. 405:
> Question: Is a teacher necessary for instructions?
> Mahrashi: Yes, if you want to learn anything new. But here you have
to
> unlearn.
> Question: Yet a teacher is necessary.
> Maharshi: You have already got what you seek elsewhere. So no
teacher is
> necessary.
> Question: Is there any use of the man of Realisation for the seeker?
> Maharshi: Yes. He helps you to get rid of your delusion that you are
not
> realised.
[Bhavin Desai] Yes. A man of Realisation can also be a teacher,
especially if he teaches in the above fashion.
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