To: K-list 
Recieved: 2003/04/18  13:24  
Subject: Re: [K-list] Love 
From: Chris Oliphant
  
On 2003/04/18  13:24, Chris Oliphant posted thus to the K-list: 
  
 
Ken, Thank-you for your reply. I fully agree with you. Ultimately there is 
only experience and when I am fully ultimate I will stop asking these 
foolish questions. 
 
> Mental masturbation over the meaning of symbols and concepts serves no 
useful purpose. 
 
But masturbation is an expression of self-love. I say this in all 
seriousness. There is purpose in masturbation. It helps me know and love 
myself. This is true for sexual and mental forms of the art. 
 
> Experiencing the thing in 
> itself, the object as it relates to the whole is where it's at. 
 
Yes, but did you notice that you just asked the same question? How does it 
fit into the whole? 
 
> >How does my life change because God is love? 
> It changes because you feel that tangible spirit more and more and it 
> affects how you behave. 
 
How does it affect how I behave? Why should I be kind to someone in traffic 
just because I had an experience of mind blowing bliss? And yes I know I am 
being deliberately obtuse. I am kinder as a result of the experience as long 
as I have a framework where the experience generates increased kindness. 
There are many who have had experiences of God who have turned into 
justifications for acts of violence and self-importance. 
 
Chris 
 
 
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