To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/04/17 22:07
Subject: Re: [K-list] Evil
From: mundane zen
On 2003/04/17 22:07, mundane zen posted thus to the K-list:
To: Danijel Turina and K-List
>Some things need to be clarified here. First, there exists the
>absolute good, and it is God.
How does this clarify anything? Buddhists don't require a belief in God.
Are Buddhists evil?
>Good and evil are the relative qualities, perceived in the relative
>world. Since that's where we are right now, it is very much relevant
>to us.
Ok, I'll buy that.
>The fact that the evil is relative bears little relevance, since a
>brick is relative too, and I wouldn't want one to hit me in the head.
How does it follow that since we live in a world where everything is
relative, the fact that evil is relative is irrelevant?
>Second, ,,, Third,... Fourth,... Fifth,
Ok, I'm basically with you here.
>As I said, this marker exists, in the absolute sense, and it is God.
>Every single thing is good in a degree to which it manifests God or
>helps reach God, and it is evil to a degree in which it hinders God's
>manifestation or prevents people to feel the Divine qualities. In
>this way, we can establish the point of reference.
God is a word. Are you using the same definition as I am, as a Hindu,
Muslim, Christian, ancient Greek, Hottentot, etc. would?
>Yes; one's personal judgment can be very remote from reality.
>However, it isn't necessarily so. There is no theoretical reason why
>a person couldn't tell good from evil with a very good deal of
>accuracy.
As I said in a previous post, to maintain order in a society, it is
necessary to objectify good and evil to some degree in the form of laws.
>If one enters the state of Divine vision, and from that perspective
>observes a certain situation, he will know the absolute truth of this
>situation. However, it might be extremely difficult to map this truth
>into the human concepts.
Actually, a divine perspective would seem to be beyond concepts like good
and evil.
>That is irrelevant. What matters is what it is compared to the
>absolute point of reference. If an evil person commits an evil deed,
>he will probably think he did good. However, from the absolute
>perspective, he did and is evil.
This raises the age old question, how can anything be considered absolutely
evil if God is all powerful?
>I repeat, it doesn't even matter whether we can tell for sure whether
>something is or is not evil. What matters is that evil exists and it
>can be known as such. If we can't know it, some angel probably can.
Angels?
>The fact that evil exists, doesn't even mean that we are supposed to
>dwell on it; it would be quite sufficient to dwell on God, to defeat
>evil. However, I don't really like the relativistic attitudes. Those
>things usually end with "nothing really matters, nothing is really
>important" attitudes.
So, we live in a world where everything is relative, but relative attitudes
are no good. This doesn't follow. And how do relativistic attitudes lead
to the idea that nothing really matters?
ken
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