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Recieved: 2003/04/15 15:50
Subject: Re: [K-list] Good and Evil
From: Danijel Turina
On 2003/04/15 15:50, Danijel Turina posted thus to the K-list:
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At 23:08 14.4.2003 EDT, LBra782595 AT_NOSPAM aol.com wrote:
>Let's put that in reverse order shall we? Feel Love.
>Now try to imagine a place that this Love could not go.
It very easy, in fact. I could introduce you to some people who could
burst your bubble just like that. You see, it is very easy to find a
place where love cannot go. Just find a cruel, arrogant, hateful
person, who ridicules all that is good, noble and gentle. I know a
few. In fact, I know more guys like that, than I know their
opposites. So you see, the reality disproves you easily. All it takes
is to open your eyes.
>Do you have a place in mind that Love cannot go?
What does it have to do with my mind? It isn't my mind that's the
problem, it's the mind of Saddam Hussein. (in fact, Saddam Hussein is
not really evil, not in my book. I would name other names, but they
wouldn't mean anything to anyone)
>Are you Evil?
I can choose to be, in a minute. It is actually quite easy, just a
matter of attitude and choice. However, the very thought horrifies
me, and I don't even want to consider it. And you don't, either, but
unlike me, you try pretending that it isn't there, hoping it will go
away. A really evil person would be as horrified of God, as I am of
evil.
>"Judge not that ye be not judged."
This is a very stupid thing to say. Of course I want to be judged.
For you see, if I were unable to face the truth about myself, what
would that make me? The only thing that comforts me is the fact that
God will judge me, for what I am, from the position of the absolute
truth.
>Are lies Evil?
It depends. As Krsna said in Mahabharata, there is nothing in the
world that would be more precious than the truth; however, truth is
sometimes better not said, and a lie sometimes needs to be said.
>There is no Evil, there are only places each of us as individuals
>have not sent our Love.
OK. Try walking your talk for a while, OK? AFAIK, not so long ago,
you had a "visitor" here on the list, the Atman Brahmananda
falsegurusvara whatever. Try giving him love. Him, I mind you, the
real person, not your fiction, not a pleasant re-creation of your
making. Try loving him, while he dreams of smacking you into dust,
foaming with anger. OK? Now wasn't that easy. And he's just a wee bit
disturbed, not really evil. When you manage giving _him_ your love,
I'll introduce you to a nice, spiritual lady, who reads the Indian
scriptures, makes horoscopes, reads the tarot cards, and who could
stab Jesus Christ in the back and have an orgasm of hatred at it. If
your blood is still in liquid state after that (and not frozen
solid), I can introduce you to another spiritual person, who was with
the Hare Krishnas at one time, and who actually manages to sense the
Divine attributes - most people aren't that evolved. However, he does
not react in a way you might assume. In fact, he only wants to see
them in order to spit at them, and ridicule them. He can see the
Divine aspect your soul worships, and tell you just a few sentences,
after which your relationship with the Divine might never recover.
You will feel dirty, soiled, hurt.
I'm not kidding. You see, there is Evil, and there is a devil. I,
too, was at one point a very naive, benevolent guy who thought that
there are no evil people, not really - just those who are hurt, not
loved, ignorant - you know the stuff, the love and light parade.
However, God took pity at me and introduced me to some very
interesting people, after which I gave up my sweet illusions. I met
some people who are so evil, that in comparison Hitler would seem
like a nice, although a bit fucked up guy. Both those people I met
could pass as the New Age spiritual seekers, they didn't kill anyone,
they didn't rape anyone, they seem to have genuine spiritual
interests... But what they do, is share their inner emptiness with
others, trying to deprive the others of that, which they themselves
hate and lack, trying to spread spiritual bondage and ignorance. What
do they get from it? Absolutely Nothing. That's what they have for a
soul. Absolutely Nothing.
But they are totally weak. They sell illusions, they are insane,
afraid of everything, afraid of crossing the street in some cases.
The evil has no power, no strength, nothing. But it will try to play
at your weaknesses, and if you have them, they will be used against
you. A belief that everybody's good in essence is a weakness. They
always play at that, at your compassion, feeling of duty,
insecurity...
>The simple fact is: Whatever you believe is true for you.
Cool, I'll believe I'm rich.
>If you can think past the world of duality, then there just IS.
Shit also is.
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