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Recieved: 2003/04/15  06:34  
Subject: [K-list] Surrender of will 
From: Rich
  
On 2003/04/15  06:34, Rich posted thus to the K-list: 
  
 
Rich wrote: 
 
> Is there a point of no return I wonder? That one could surrender to  
> something so fully they forget they ever surrendered and loose there  
> previous sense of self and there ability to pull back out of what they  
> surrendered to. 
>  
 
 
Vernon Kitabu Turner voices 'surrendering the will to the unknown'. He seems 
very much alive and present as I am reading this. 
 
In itself, the desire to surrender would seem an act of will but at another 
level inherently K is pushing up and away my sense of self and making me 
surrender. It would seem sometimes also that I conceive a problem in my life 
(such as an illness) as a means to get me to move past it where as before I 
may have avoided it. 
 
Is it a paradox that we give up the will for an instant to surrender so the 
will is not really involved but it is just a cycle of preparation to train 
ourself to this. Could a non K person do the same? Perhaps with endeavor 
(without effort) and faith. 
 
 
Giving way to the divine through an operation like a computer program. We 
write the program how we want it to be, to serve us. Goddess gives guidance 
when we ask. 
 
When this becomes a permanent process without intervention then I will be 
finished. And started at the same time. For time I will no longer care of. 
 
Giving up the desire to surrender to K (and all other desire (and the desire 
to have another desire)) would seem like surrender of will. Desire.. The 
obscurer of Emptiness. 
 
 
Rich 
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