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Recieved: 2003/03/26 02:10
Subject: Re: [K-list] What God do we believe in?
From: Dean Robbins
On 2003/03/26 02:10, Dean Robbins posted thus to the K-list:
Hello Ken,
How are you my friend?
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Subject: Re: [K-list] What God do we believe in?
> >From: "Dean Robbins" <Dean.Robbins AT_NOSPAM btinternet.com>
>
> >I think surrendering to one's Self is a wonderful answer.
>
> There's got to be a better word for describing that accepting and merging
> feeling than "surrender". I've always had an aversion to the word and its
> negative connotations, and now that I've latched onto Campbell again and
the
> hero archetype, the word seems even more repulsive.
>
I value your insight Ken, but don't these negative connotations of the word;
"aversion", "negative", "replusive", belongs to the world of duality?
>
> >I can see a theme developing here, maybe we can elaborate on this
> >further, and even rephrase the question to "What God do we believe in?"
>
>
> As the Highlander said, "There can be only one". Critics of Hinduism often
> refer to it as polytheistic or pantheistic, but most Hindus seem to have
> grasped the concept that all the various forms are simply manifestations of
> the One. Likewise, many people get stuck on the name Jesus or Allah and
> don't see that they are just words, symbols of a common underlying spirit.
Modus operandi noted.
>
>
> >I read somewhere that the Buddha abstained from discussing
> >metaphysical questions about the existence of an absolute God. For
> >him, God was too big a subject for the unenlightened human mind to
> >grasp...
>
>
> Bingo!
Thanks for the reciprocation (-:
>
>
> >I personally have no belief in what I think God is. What is important, >is
> >the actual enquiry into the very existence of *What is God?*. -
> >God, whatever we believe Him to be, can only exist in our minds as a
> >concept.
>
>
> Of course every thing in our minds exists only as a concept when we think
> about it. So, don't think about it. Experience it directly in a realm
> beyond thought. Whenever anyone asks me if I believe in God, I ask them to
> define their terms.
Of course, Ken, I undersatnd your point of view, I even know this myself, but
please forgive me if I am letting myself down, I do this not for you, but for
those that want to know this for themselves at this list.
>
>
>
> >But concept is not the actuality. Any concept we have of God, limits
> >God to our belief system.
>
>
> Is it a conincidence that the initials for belief system are B.S.?
>
Pardon my ignorance, but what does B.S. mean?
>
> >Concept itself is only a part of the Creator's creation.
>
>
> How can you talk about belief systems limiting God, then immediately talk
> about God as creator? Isn't that also trying to impose concepts,
My dear Ken, Your own idea of this is also a concept . You know as well as I
do, that a paradox is at work here. It is not my intention to be
condescending, But you and I don't need to pursue this debate?
> attributes, and limitations on God? I'm not sure what you're trying to say
> here, but I don't think you're going to there thru mere logic and the
> rational part of the mind. This just leads one into circles and reductio
ad
> absurdium.
>
>Sorry ken, but with all due respect, there is an oxymoron lurking in this
statement of yours.
>
> >Actuality negates God as a concept, and what remains is knowing that
> >this is the reality.
>
>
> What is "this"?
Apologies for my presumption Ken,. "This" = God. Sorry, I thought you would
have figured that one out for yourself. - I'll try to (lovingly) remember
not to be so presumptuous for future posts. (-:
true Self, then our true
> >Self-awareness can only disclose the "God" concept as an illusion.
>
>
> All this says is that God cannot be conceptualized. God is not a
left-brain
> object to be manipulated. Yet it doesn't obviate the possibility of
> experiencing the Spirit of God, or ones true nature, thru grace or
> meditation techniques.
Thanks Ken, actually, your conceptual views are always high on my list. (-:
>
> >I''m going to disappear now,
>
> Oh
> Peace,
> ken
>
Peacefulness gone,
Dean
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