To: K-list
Recieved: 2002/11/11 21:12
Subject: [K-list] Love Devotion and Surrender
From: Edjason
On 2002/11/11 21:12, Edjason posted thus to the K-list:
>Dear Brothers and Sisters in K.,
>Inspired by the recent threads, as well as some personal
>revelations, I'd like to solicit some feedback on the subject of
>emotionalism. Although I find the techniques of Kriya Yoga proper
>to be very effective and natural for me, the peripheral Bhakti
>(devotional) aspects have become a turn-off. This groveling at the
>blue lotus feet of the gurus seems like so much sappy
>sentimentality. I just can't get into it anymore.
Hi Ken, Dear Rachel, Dear Sherri, New comers, Elders,
Welders and Welves (Wer-Elves)
Friends of the Butt, but and better . . .
Dear Friends of K-plunk,
Citizens of 'Not Kasanas any more Tonto',
I feel Susans advice is very good and will
add some comments which I hope will be
useful :-)
When somebody says:
>How about we start praying for all those tornado victims and
>survivors instead of being embroiled in flame wars. If we could all
>put in a fraction of the energy spent here making accusations and
>counter accusations and pour that intensity instead into loving
>thoughts towards all those terrified souls then we might be able to
>do something useful.
>The illusion of duality is so seductive isn't it? Yet we all know
>better. Blessing to everyone.
>Namaste' Rachel
We may feel it is a bit like the woman
who turns up at every town meeting
(whatever the subject) and says
'What about the children?
- Oh Please! Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!'
(That town is Springfield in 'The Simpsons' incidentally . . .)
We have to work within the ACTUAL capacity
and circumstances of the situation.
We allow 'sappy sentimentality' to
those (like you were once) to express
spirituality according to individual understanding
which is bit sappy really . . .
==========
Do not stand by my grave and weep,
I am not there. I do not sleep
I am a thousand winds that blow
I am a diamond glint on snow
I am the sunlight on ripened grain
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awake in the morning hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circling flight
I am the soft starshine at night.
Do not stand by my grave and cry,
I am not there…I did not die.
Anonymous
=========>Perhaps Kundalini has made some internal changes over the past
>decades, because I don't get the highs and lows I used to. Even
>when emotions appear, I experience them with a certain detachment,
>as if I were watching a movie. I feel like I exist continuously in
>this calm central place. Even during sleep there's this little
>glimmer of awareness; it's as if waking consciousness were right
>around the corner.
Emotional stability is a good place to be.
Being able to use emotional energy
is also good BUT not so easy.
In time it can be learnt, just as using
the excesses of the ego to inflate
and . . . POP
itself . . . and take a few self servings with it>Some of the recent threads seem to reflect so much emotionalism
>anger, defensiveness, etc., all of which is then typically projected
>onto someone else. While reading them I felt compassion, but as
>they used to say in the 60's, "I just can't relate".
There are other forums
with a different feel
- some with practically no emotions . . .
Being angry, defensive and emotional
is NOT something I have or intend to overcome
Nor would I try or expect to.
Any more than I would want to lose
the emotions of Love, Joy and Happiness
- I just wish to ride my donkey
- not let it run away with me . . .
I want to be a real person
not a wet fish (no offence to wet fish)
I just choose to be angry about ignorance
(perhaps itself a form of ignorance)
defensive of the Truth (ahem - as if I know her)
and 'detached' from reality (whatever that is)>I still feel emotion; don't get me wrong. Many things affect me,
>like the bliss in meditation or that profoundly beautiful post about
>the dream with the Orcas. However, I gag on saccharine
>sentimentality and regard angry people with a kind of surreal
>amusement.
Your emotions have been refined.
That is all. It gives you more balance.
More calm - and is an improvement we
could all benefit from :-)
Takes work
Love Devotion and Surrender
People are sweet if allowed to
express their True Nature . . .>I've arrived at an interesting place, spiritually, a kind of Zen
> Yoga synthesis. I lean toward the philosophy of Buddhism, but
>prefer yoga practice to zazen. Maybe Tantric Buddhism will work for
>me, but in the interim, I guess I'll just follow this odd
>synthetic system.
>Comments are welcome.
>Peace and Love,
>Ken
The Shamballah centres
set up by Tibetan Buddhist and rogue Guru
Chogyam Trungpa use a sythesis of
Tibetan Buddhism and Zen.
However like most Buddhist systems there is
emphasis on sitting yoga meditation (in this case
broken by walking) I used to go, and found
the free meditation classes and combination
of Zen And Tantric presentation very alluring.
You will find many Dharma Centres practice
physical disciplines such as Yoga
and Tai Chi Chuan/Qi Ong (the best
system yet devised for stabilising energy flow)
Yoga often increases the flow of energy
and stabilisation is often dependent on
(mostly) very limited (in understanding)
yoga teachers. The best ones (in my
estimation) have very little time for
our fascination with internal projections
onto outward reality (or K-plunk with
those still playing) Or you have to
include some Hindu Cultural superstition
that may be charming but (as you mention)
now seems alien . . .
Tantric Buddhism WOULD have something for
you and will certainly improve or augment
your synthetic system - it too has cultural
superstion from Tibet - also charming.
They also have a complete and extensive
understanding of kundalini energy
with people trained from an early age.
You could of course rather than all
this me, me, me
decide to improve the world and I quote:
'What about the children
- won't somebody PLEASE think of the children'>Hi K list,
>What is with all this bantering back and forth? I am surprised by all the
>disagreements! We are better than that!
>Sherri
I'm not :-)>I am new to this list. What does LOL mean?
Laughs Out Loud
and more recently
Lots Of Love
Lobster LOL
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org
http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/spirit/kindex.htm
DISCLAIMER!
Home | Archive Index | Search the archives | Subscribe
K. List FAQ | Kundalini FAQs | Signs and Symptoms | Awakening Experiences | K. list Polls | Member Essays | Meditations | List Topics | Art Gallery | Cybrary | Sitemap | Email the moderators.
symbol.