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Recieved: 2002/10/29 13:19
Subject: [K-list] Easy awakening poll results
From: Druout
On 2002/10/29 13:19, Druout posted thus to the K-list:
> I wonder for those who have had a relatively easy/blissful time of it, to
> what do you attribute this good fortune? ...
Dear List,
Eight people responded to this poll.
To the question: > to what do you attribute this good fortune?
5 people mentioned the practice of physical yoga, either Hatha Yoga, Bliss
yoga or Astanga yoga.
4 mentioned spiritual practices--other types of Yoga, following the Buddhic
path, or prayer
3 people specifically mentioned meditation. (one TM and one Buddhist)
3 people mentioned surrender or non expectation
2 people mentioned preparation or knowledge
2 people mentioned love
2 people mentioned lack of responsibility
and 1 said stopping meditation helped her.
> Do you think that it can be attributed to the practice of Hatha Yoga,
Four people answered yes or specifically mentioned Hatha Yoga. One person
practices Astanga yoga.
> or do you think it might be due to past life good karma,
Two people answered yes, one said partly and one wasn't sure.
> or just plain good luck. :))
All four people who answered this part of the poll said they didn't think
luck was involved.
*********
Excerpts:
> to what do you attribute this good fortune?
*** Knowledge of the process. Good preparation and firm foundation through
all aspects of Yoga. Patience and gentleness. An attitude of
NON-expectation.
> Do you think that it can be attributed to the practice of Hatha Yoga,
*** Yes, as well as other types of Yoga. Kundalini development is not
exclusive to either any one Yoga or any other particular path. Different
people will be able to find forms of Yogas or other paths that are suitable
for their particular personality and characteristics.
> or to other spiritual practices,
*** Yes. "Many Paths, One Goal". "A rose, by any other name, would smell
as sweet". Some paths are equivalent in their abstraction, and only differ
in their terminology and relatively insignificant geographical differences.
> or do you think it might be due to past life good karma,
*** Partly. The good (and bad) karmic residues of past lives will be
carried over to this life. No good (or bad) effort is ever lost. Some
karmas started in this life will also "bear fruit" in this life (or
possibly in subsequent lives if the appropriate opportunities are not
available in this life).
> or just plain good luck. :))
*** I don't personally believe in the common perception of good luck.
Without knowing the details of one's present karma, it may appear to us
that some people have good luck while others have bad luck. A Guru (or
other guide/master/teacher/spirit/etc) may be able to enhance your good
karma and mitigate the bad karma, although both good and bad have to be
discharged for progress in Kundalini development.
> or ????
*** There are certain cases where particular events (eg trauma) in one's
life accidentally trigger Kundalini. In general, these are the intense,
extreme, uncontrollable, or painful awakenings. These awakenings may also
be temporary and subside for a few months/years at a time, or even
disappear completely.
> Or, as others in the past have suggested, perhaps those having an easier
time> of it are being deprived of a deeper experience--that we learn most
from
our> pain.
*** Possibly in some cases, but not necessarily. Pain as a single metric
is not sufficient to determine whether an experience is deep or not.
Otherwise one could cause pain to one's own body in various ways and enjoy
(?) the deep experience. Pain may be one of the factors in specific
circumstances and with respect to the whole sequence of events occurring up
to that time. Also, there are different types of pain (physical, mental,
emotional, psychological, etc). Pain should be initially regarded as an
indication of some danger or something wrong, and an attempt should be made
to resolve the pain. If it is of the nature of "spiritual pain" (ie
leading to deeper experiences) then it may/will persist beyond any attempt
at resolution.
Some additional clarification regarding my comments:
> I wonder for those who have had a relatively easy/blissful time of it,
*** Blissful refers to the Sat-Chit-Ananda state.
> what do you attribute this good fortune?
> *** Knowledge of the process.
*** This covers not only theoretical comprehension of the Universal Laws of
Nature, but also the practical application in daily life to "go with the
flow" and not to fight against the Universal Laws of Nature.
*********
> >I wonder for those who have had a relatively easy/blissful time of it, to
> >what do you attribute this good fortune?
Who's had an easy time of it? Shoot the varmint!
>Do you think that it can be attributed to the practice of Hatha Yoga, >or to
other spiritual practices,
Easy? You call Hatha Yoga Easy? :^)
>or do you think it might be due to past life good karma,
I did recently have a flashback to my lifetime previous to this one. The way
I died and the events just before my death cleared a LOT of karma for me.
However I don't recommend the method to anyone. There was nothing easy about
it. Still, I am grateful now.
> >or just plain good luck. :))
"In my experience, there is no such thing as luck."
..........................................Obi-Wan Kenobi
> >or ????
I do feel very fortunate to be "awake". So if I have a Divine being to thank
for this, I thank them heartily. Living in gratitude is its own reward.
I seem to have some odd energy running around in me today. I had a wonderful
meditation yesterday and really cleared a lot junk. Now I'm having to
re-assess the abilities of my energy system. It seems to have gone up a few
levels. Please bear with me until I get regrounded or whatever it is that is
being cleaned up gets zapped.
*********
Yes I have been having since a couple of full moons ago a most blissful time
with it indeed and without hadly any difficulty.
Because of good luck, I don't think so a bit. Due to past life good karma, I
doubt it. But I do practice yoga, meditation and prayer and receive a heck of
a helping hand from my angel guides. And compared to what it was like about
10 years ago during my first huge episode when I was not as confident and
mature plus I wasn't doing the yoga or meditation back then, I really believe
that all of these factors are really helping the K move so much smoother this
time around.
> Or, as others in the past have suggested, perhaps those having an easier
> time
> of it are being deprived of a deeper experience--that we learn most from
> our
> pain.
Based on my personal experience, I do not agree with this. During my episode
of 10 years ago my world was being turned upside-down, inside-out, I was
scared, insecure and at times thought I was going to die, etc... That period
was a very important part of my life and the K process. But, I have recently
moved to an incredibly priviledged place and had been preparing for this
without knowing exactly what I was preparing for with a regular yoga and
meditation practice with unprecedented discipline that I simply took pleasure
in doing since two years, leading me where I am now, in a place that I would
never have been able to imagine in my wildest dreams and have been shown what
I am moving into next. And this time around in big time K movement, a decade
after hell broke loose, ... I am moving oh so gently into a place of
extraordinary peace, strength, happiness, love... The other day I started
crying for no reason but just a profound feeling of joy. I found my way back
to myself full-time now, not only glimpses as it was before. I have found my
source, source of strength, source of surrender. ... K is a much smoother
ride than it has even been before. This is why I cannot say that I agree with
the above statement.
.
> I do think, though, that it would be interesting to see if there is a
> correlation between certain practices and a relatively easy K experience.
Yoga has brought me every time to a lovely meditation state and I would
experience it as a privileged moment that I would offer myself. Was it only
the yoga or the loving way in which I would indulge in it? The latter is more
likely as I believe that another tool that another person may find helpful
and a good support can do just as well if done with love. But my experience
brings me to believe in the enormous benefits that yoga can offer.
********
Here are the reasons why I believe my case was gentle:
-I practiced yoga asanas daily, it cleaned my physical and etheric body.
-I followed the buddhic path actively and that cleaned my astral and
mental bodies.
-during that time I had really nothing important to do in my life, no
place to study, no any plans for the future, no relly anything happening
in my life, I was perfectly free for averything.
-The day before this I got a light flash in a meditation, and a guestion
popped into my mind: "Would you give EVERYTHING away if you could be
PERFECTLY happy?" That was a bit weird but I thougth that well ok, why
not. (pretty naiive ;) So I gave away all the "easy life" of
not-knowing.
I dont know if it has something to do with the karma, but I think you
have to be okay with yourself, no bad thoughts or emotions
(mental&astral).
I defenitely believe it has nothing to do with luck, One is ready for it
or not. (I was ready then, but the next week my mental body (thoughts)
resisted and so there were problmes).
I felt like a saint for one week (higher cosciousness), I really
radiated love that time, but I had to decide to stop it, and come back
to the lower consciousness, because after all it´s a big step to take
and I´m too young for it now. I thing I´ll do it later again, when it´s a
good time, and I have someone to support me.
********
I suspect a number of things may have contributed to my easy awakening. (not
necessarily in this order!)
My heart chakra opened first so the experience started pleasurably (to say
the least!).
I think Hatha yoga asanas helped "prime" the body so pain was minimal.
I had previous awareness of these types of experiences through use of
psychedelics decades ago, so I had an inkling as to what was happening to me.
I also had supportive friends.
An agnostic upbringing helped keep my mind open and free from thoughts of
"possession" or guilt.
Being older with no overwhelming responsibilities helped me feel free to
surrender to the energy and not to fear whether or not I was going mad.
A more or less happy childhood.
********
I used to do Hatha Yoga regularly about 20 years ago. I do some now
but not in any disciplined way. When these bizarre physical symptoms
showed up I tried 3 different Hatha Yoga classes. Only one -
Savroopa "Bliss Yoga" seemed to help. I still do many of the poses I
learned there but they dont seem to help nearly as much as they did
before. In fact they sometimes increase the tingling in my legs.
I think yoga does help sometimes and I think everyone should learn
at least the basic hatha yoga asanas. It is important to find a
teacher you resonate with.
*********
My experience of the clean-up in the K process has not been on the physical
so much as the emotional and mental so far. This has been bloody hard for
the past 4.5 years, but it seems to be easing up a bit at the moment. The
reason is that in the last 6 months I've really acknowledged that I am going
through the process, and I have decided to embrace it and in many ways
surrender to it. Strangely (or not) this coincided with me stopping daily
meditation, and instead I focused on being in the world and being present in
other ways (lots and lots of grounding).
When I look back on it I was using meditation and guru worship as an attempt
to escape the challenges of this life. I was fearful of living. I realise
now that I didn't have a clear sense of my little self, and I was trying to
obliterate it before I even knew what 'I' was about.
So for me, it got easier when I stepped away from a practice, embraced the
process, and started living fully. Part of that process was to take the
risk of leaving the business world completely to fulfil a life-long dream of
being a healer. This is where my heart is, and I began to validate my true
'self'. The transition has not been easy, but it's helped me clear a lot of
the dross in my life, and I have so enjoyed it....
********
> I wonder for those who have had a relatively easy/blissful time of it,
to> what do you attribute this good fortune?
TM and Buddhist meditation
> Do you think that it can be attributed to the practice of Hatha Yoga,
> or to other spiritual practices,
YES
> or do you think it might be due to past life good karma,
YES
> or just plain good luck. :))
> or ????
Partner who has meditated for same length of time - 26 years and
our shared love.
OUR HEART CHCKRAS ARE OPEN
*******
End. thanks everyone!
In a message dated 9/1/2002 7:38:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
gutrekATnospamhotmail.com writes:> So my point is this, maybe Kriyas (spontaneous yoga asanas) and
> spasms associated with K. may be a sign that one needs to do some
> Hatha Yoga. ... has anyone who experiences Kriyas tried Hatha Yoga
> asanas,
> especially ones that closely resemble the spontaneous ones? If so,
> did it help?
>
And
In a message dated 9/2/2002 8:01:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bhavin_desaiATnospamdatacard.com writes:> Kriyas are cleansing and purification processes. (They are not only
> spontaneous yoga asanas.) If you integrate a wide variety of Yoga
> practices (including Kriya, Asana, Pranayama, etc) into your life then the
> required overall functionality is achieved naturally. If you don't
> practice Yoga (or something similar) then The Goddess Kundalini achieves
> the same result by assisting you with automatic/spontaneous Kriyas and
> Mudras. This will be surprising and often painful. Although I can achieve
> a deep meditation state and I get various Kundalini indications, there have
> never been any negative aspects. This I attribute to my long standing
> practice of Yoga.
>
>
Poll:
The energy seems to be pretty powerful lately and seems to be causing
problems for a number of people here.
I wonder for those who have had a relatively easy/blissful time of it, to
what do you attribute this good fortune?
Do you think that it can be attributed to the practice of Hatha Yoga,
or to other spiritual practices,
or do you think it might be due to past life good karma,
or just plain good luck. :))
or ????
Or, as others in the past have suggested, perhaps those having an easier time
of it are being deprived of a deeper experience--that we learn most from our
pain.
I do think, though, that it would be interesting to see if there is a
correlation between certain practices and a relatively easy K experience.
Comments welcome!
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