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Recieved: 2002/10/16 04:42
Subject: [K-list] Re: Kriyas and Spasms/good fortune poll
From: Bhavin Desai
On 2002/10/16 04:42, Bhavin Desai posted thus to the K-list:
My answers and comments below start with ***, and end with a blank line.
I would like to clarify that, so far, I have only had mild and medium
levels of Kundalini symptoms that are always totally under control and
blissful. I have never had the extreme, intense, painful, or
uncontrollable experiences described by some other group members.
I recently attended a Weekend Yoga Retreat in South Wales (United Kingdom),
where Shaktipat techniques were utilised in some of the meditation
sessions. My detailed experiences will be posted separately, perhaps next
week.
Jack.
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> Hillary wrote:
>
> <<<snip>>
> I wonder for those who have had a relatively easy/blissful time of it, to
> what do you attribute this good fortune?
*** Knowledge of the process. Good preparation and firm foundation through
all aspects of Yoga. Patience and gentleness. An attitude of
NON-expectation.
> Do you think that it can be attributed to the practice of Hatha Yoga,
*** Yes, as well as other types of Yoga. Kundalini development is not
exclusive to either any one Yoga or any other particular path. Different
people will be able to find forms of Yogas or other paths that are suitable
for their particular personality and characteristics.
> or to other spiritual practices,
*** Yes. "Many Paths, One Goal". "A rose, by any other name, would smell
as sweet". Some paths are equivalent in their abstraction, and only differ
in their terminology and relatively insignificant geographical differences.
> or do you think it might be due to past life good karma,
*** Partly. The good (and bad) karmic residues of past lives will be
carried over to this life. No good (or bad) effort is ever lost. Some
karmas started in this life will also "bear fruit" in this life (or
possibly in subsequent lives if the appropriate opportunities are not
available in this life).
> or just plain good luck. :))
*** I don't personally believe in the common perception of good luck.
Without knowing the details of one's present karma, it may appear to us
that some people have good luck while others have bad luck. A Guru (or
other guide/master/teacher/spirit/etc) may be able to enhance your good
karma and mitigate the bad karma, although both good and bad have to be
discharged for progress in Kundalini development.
> or ????
*** There are certain cases where particular events (eg trauma) in one's
life accidentally trigger Kundalini. In general, these are the intense,
extreme, uncontrollable, or painful awakenings. These awakenings may also
be temporary and subside for a few months/years at a time, or even
disappear completely.
> Or, as others in the past have suggested, perhaps those having an easier
time
> of it are being deprived of a deeper experience--that we learn most from
our
> pain.
*** Possibly in some cases, but not necessarily. Pain as a single metric
is not sufficient to determine whether an experience is deep or not.
Otherwise one could cause pain to one's own body in various ways and enjoy
(?) the deep experience. Pain may be one of the factors in specific
circumstances and with respect to the whole sequence of events occurring up
to that time. Also, there are different types of pain (physical, mental,
emotional, psychological, etc). Pain should be initially regarded as an
indication of some danger or something wrong, and an attempt should be made
to resolve the pain. If it is of the nature of "spiritual pain" (ie
leading to deeper experiences) then it may/will persist beyond any attempt
at resolution.
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