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Recieved: 2002/09/26 00:36
Subject: [K-list] Can The That Which Never Was Be Annihilated...?
From: David Bozzi
On 2002/09/26 00:36, David Bozzi posted thus to the K-list:
--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy..., "rkshankar" <rkshankarATnospamv...> wrote:
> As required,
Required to whom?
(just wondering)
> I am posting the translation of 3 important verses in
> support of the total annihilation of ego.
Lawyers do this trick all the time;
almost universally they are considered scum
...why?
> These are from a text styled 'Upadesa Undhiyar' which was composed
> by Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi.
> For the 'Iam' yahoogroups list, I had translated these verses from
> Tamil to English.
- bias in the process of translation noted -
> Very literal translation from Tamil to English
Hey, the Jehovah's are very big
on the 'literal'.
Look where it's gotten them.
> Destruction and also lurking, yes! (these) two (constitute the two
> methods of) subsidence (of the ego).
> That (ego) which (merely) abides lurking, will rise (again, from its
> state of lurking).
Ego is always limited.
But at the same time it is
always infinite.
Mathematicians know
that there are subsets
of Infinity
that are infinite
yet nevertheless
incomplete.
(i.e. all the odd numbers only set
is infinite yet is incomplete)
> (But,) if the form (of the ego) dies, will not rise (again). (Verse
> 13)
>
> If you course the mind, that subsides when (you) withhold the vital
> air (or the breath),
> along the (Self-) enquiring path, its form will die. (Verse 14)
This is a *metaphor*
for Unity.
Speaking as the One who is All That Is
I should know
the difference between metaphor
and actual
whatever that metaphor *symbolizes*.
It's the same difference between
ego and True Self.
(that statement in and of itself is limited to metaphor status)
> With the form of the mind perishing, the great yogi who firmly
> abides in the truth,
> has no work for Himself. He adjoined His Natural State. (Verse 15)
Don't take this mumbo jumbo too literally
because you may end up
judging your own Self
(in the form of your own Brother and Sister).
No one 'adjoins' their natural state.
The essential nature of who we are
always is.
Period!
This 'adjoining' concept
is a time bound idea
for reverting
back to what always was
assuming erroneously
it could somehow
not be be what it always was!
(hence the illuminating revelation:
time bound notions are deluded
and not to be taken literally)
> My Simple Explanation:
> We must course the mind along the path of Self-Enquiry.
> Then, its form will perish.
Form never really perishes.
That's the thing.
Form is a subset of Infinity.
It is always limited
while at the same time
it is infinite...
The quality of infinity
in and of itself
does not secure
that which transcends quality.
(i.e.: ALL)
> And, it will get destroyed within the Supreme Self.
You can't get any more dualistic
than what you've stated above...
(the price to be paid for courting the literal)
> Then, it will not rise again (Verses 13-14).
At this point
one should have realized
that if one is still
resorting to quoting verses
from the past
...one has still not gotten It!
(and that's ok, just don't be a prick about it)
> With the form of the mind perishing, the great yogi who firmly
> abides in the truth, has no work for Himself.
Well to those who
can not differentiate between
the literal
pertaining to the writings of the dead
and Ultimate Reality
there is indeed much work to be done.
(i.e. realization)
> He adjoined His Natural State of the Supreme Self (Verse 15).
Another metaphor.
How can that which can not be left
to begin with
be 'adjoined' with...???
> The total annihilation of ego is also recorded in Saivism.
As a perception.
What are perceptions?
> The modern Sage of Saivism, Sri Sri Sivaya Subramuniya Swami,
> records the same in His Revealed Scriptural Text 'Merging with
> Siva'.
Jehovah's witness
and really good lawyers
who want to get
their murdering clients off
do this all the time.
I dare you to release your scriptures.
They are dead.
What is your attraction to them?
> The total annihilation of ego is also recorded in all advaitic
> texts.
> For example, the Ribhu Gita, the core of Siva Rahasya.
At this point
who cares?
Your ego is still quite apparent.
Why carry on...?
> Almost all works of Sage Sankara record the total annihilation of
> ego.
Not only is your ego still quite apparent
it is quite dense
and persistent.
> Yours in God
> RK Shankar
Yours in the
addiction to some imaginary self,
David
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