To: K-list
Recieved: 2002/08/23 00:19
Subject: Re: [K-list] Weakness of the Argument (Formerly: Addiction To Images, Math & Confusion...)
From: j
On 2002/08/23 00:19, j posted thus to the K-list:
--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy..., "HSV & AAL" <riga21ATnospame...> wrote:
> > No namecalling ! That only demonstrates weakness of the
argument.
>
> It demonstrates
> an attachment
> to some self-induldgent image
> worth preserving...
>
> ** Or maybe it demonstrates a natural human quality.
hi cambeie,
you seem to have many beliefs about reality.. but reality is no
belief.. reality *is*.. so reality has one quality.. it *is*.. some
call that 'nameless and formless'.. others light, consciousness..
the point is that only it *is*.. I've read a
> ** lot of arguments here on this list just in the 2 days I've been
> ** a member. I find it strange, and intriguing, that there are
> ** people on this sort of list who still view the world through
> ** peep-holes. With all of us searching for enlightenment and
> ** wisdom, it seems that we would have figured out by now that no
> ** single person experiences life or spirituality in the same way.
life is not about figuring out..> ** I suppose if I could make one wish, I would wish for absolute
> ** tolerance and understanding. Of course, I am in just as much
> ** need of that as everyone else. I sometimes feel as if we're
> ** all incubating within a regenerating shell that we try to break
> ** free from. I think many of you here have had great success in
> ** chipping away at that shell. I wonder, though, if we're meant
> ** to break away from it completely. Should we really try to
> ** completely destroy our true nature as humans?
it is no destruction.. on the contrary, it is removing the illusion
of names and forms.. 're-storing' what isIsn't that like
> ** trying to teach an eagle to swim?
no, it is like teaching an eagle he is an eagle.. :-) Perhaps part of the secret,
> ** part of what we're missing, is to accept our true nature. I'm
> ** not saying we shouldn't strive to reach beyond what we've been
> ** taught is our boundaries.
the 'boundary' is that the eagle thinks he is a fish.. I'm just saying that instead of
> ** trying to completely break free of our humanity, maybe we
> ** should use that as our foundation and build from it. It just
> ** seems like a frustrating and perhaps futile effort otherwise.
only the eagle that thinks he is a fish can be frustrated, hurt..
>
> ** I'll admit that I know very little about Kundalini and many
> ** of the other deep philisophical discussions here.
it is no 'deep philosphical discussion'..
it is seeing 'what is not' as 'what is not'.. Hopefully
> ** I'll learn a great deal from everyone by being a small part
> ** of this group. One of my deepest beliefs is that we all have
> ** something we can learn from each other, even those we disagree
> ** with.
a deep belief, how noble it sounds, can be a major 'obstacle' to
see 'what is'.. I am very much an apprentice here so I could be
> ** completely wrong in my theory.
you do not need a theory to see an eagle as an eagle.. But I speak from my intuition
> ** and empathic center. And as many of us believe, including me,
> ** we each have to choose the path that is the most true for us
> ** individually.
>
> ** Good grief. I took a completely different turn in my reply
> ** than I meant to. Ah, well, I guess my heart had something it
> ** wanted to say. =) I meant to talk about how part of our
> ** nature is our resistance to change,
do you mean the belief of the eagle that he is really a fish?
beliefs are not what is..
love, j but ended up taking a
> ** broader view of the topic.
>
> Cambeie
> (I hope you guys don't grow to despise my long-winded nature)
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