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From: june flare
On 2002/08/11 22:51, june flare posted thus to the K-list:
Greeting's,
We thought We would share this Interesting Data!
Disney, UFOs And DisclosureWard Kimball, one of the original Disney animators, referred to by Walt
Disney as one of the trusted "Nine Old Men," (supreme court of animation)
died in Arcadia California on July 8. He was 88.
Kimball was famous for his creation of the character Jiminy Cricket, The
Cheshire Cat, The March Hare, The Mad Hatter, and for redesigning Mickey
Mouse in 1938. He joined the Disney Studios in 1934, and rose up in the ranks
to become a directing animator on such classics as "Snow White and the Seven
Dwarfs," "Pinocchio," "Fantasia" and "Peter Pan." He directed Disney
Oscar-winning shorts "Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom" in 1953 and "It's Tough
To Be a Bird" in 1969.
Unknown to many Disney watchers, Kimball was also student of UFOs and Outer
Space. He had a large collection of UFO books and magazines, according to
Navy physicist Bruce Maccabee who met with him in 1980. Maccabee had been to
Kimball,s house to recruit him as one of the 10 original board members for
the Fund for UFO Research. Kimball accepted the position.
Kimball worked with technical advisor Werhner Von Braun to write and direct
three key outer space documentaries for the "Disneyland" television series.
The three documentaries were, "Man in Space," "Man and the Moon," and "Mars
and Beyond." Kimball referred to them as, "the creative highpoint of my
career. According to Disney spokesman Howard E. Green, the three outer space
documentaries are "often credited with popularizing the concept of the
government's space program during the 1950s.,
The first of these, the 1955 "Man in Space, was so popular (viewed by over 42
million people) that according to Kimball, President Eisenhower phoned Walt
Disney from the White House looking for a copy of the production. When Disney
asked Eisenhower why he wanted it Eisenhower replied, "Well, I'm going to
show it to all those stove-shirt generals who don't believe we're going to be
up there!
It was Kimball, who at the July 1979 MUFON UFO symposium in California, told
of his interest in the subject of UFOs. Then to a stunned audience he related
the story of how the American government had approached Walt Disney himself
prior to Sputnik to make a UFO documentary to help acclimatize the American
population to the reality of extraterrestrials.
Kimball stated in the speech that around 1955 or 1956 Walt Disney was
contacted by the USAF and asked to cooperate on a documentary about UFOs. The
USAF offered to supply actual UFO footage, which Disney would be allowed to
use in his film.
According to Kimball, Disney went along with the USAF plan, which was not
unusual. The use of Walt Disney cartoons, after all had been suggested by the
1953 CIA Robertson UFO panel as part of a public-education program involving
the mass media to "strip the UFO phenomenon of its special status and
eliminatethe aura of mystery it has acquired."
The discussions between the CIA people and Disney may actually have taken
place, because in August 1955, Frederick C. Durant 111, who was a member of
the Robertson CIA panel showed Walt Kimball's documentary "Man in Space"
during the Sixth Congress of the International Astronomical Federation in
Copenhagan.
Disney had also cooperated with the government in producing a number of war
documentaries during World War 11 like the documentary "Victory through Air
Power. In one year, during the war, Disney turned out over four hundred
thousand feet of government films.
Disney was also, according to a December 16, 1954 FBI document made a SAC
Contact for the FBI, which elevated him from his former position as an
informant for the agency. The confidential internal FBI memo read,
"Because of Mr. Disney,s position as the foremost producer of cartoon files
in the motion picture industry, and his prominence and wide acquaintanceship
in film production matters, it is believed that he can be of valuable
assistance to this office . . . "
Once Walt Disney had finished his meetings with the USAF, he began to work on
the requested UFO documentary for the public. He asked his animators to think
up what an alien would look like. Meanwhile, he waited for the Air Force to
deliver the promised film. After some period of time the Air Force
re-contacted Disney and told him the film offer had to be withdrawn. There
would be no UFO footage as promised. Kimball told researcher Stanton Friedman
that once he found out there would be no delivery of UFO film, he personally
spoke with an Air Force Colonel who told him, "there indeed was plenty of UFO
footage, but that neither Ward, nor anyone else, was going to get access to
it. This caused a temporary halt to the project. As one account by Bruce
Maccabee described it,
" Disney cancelled the project, but by this time a lot of animated film of
creatures, had been completed by his artists.
"So Disney went ahead and made a short "documentary" anyway, featuring
Jonathan Winters impersonating various "characters" associated with typical
UFO lore.
"I specifically recall Mr. Winters as an old lady/grandmother who saw a UFO
and reported it... then he portrayed the Air Force officer who investigated
the sightings and offered explanations. He also portrayed a little boy in a
room who had a telescope looking up at the stars and, to the little boy's
amazement, an alien came through the telescope into his room. Of course the
boys father didn't believe that story.
The UFO documentary was never shown in public, but Kimball did show the 15-20
minute piece at the 1979 UFO Symposium. The movie, however, did not contain
any of the dramatic UFO footage everyone had been promised. What is important
to note about this Kimball story about the attempt by the United States
government to "spill the beans is that it was not the only time such an
incident occurred.
In 1972-73 Colonel Robert Coleman, former USAF Project Blue Book spokesman,
and former ATIC Commander Colonel George Weinbrenner, made an offer of "800
feet of film . . .as well as several thousand feet of additional material of
dramatic UFO material to documentary film producers Robert Emenegger and
Allan Sandler at the Pentagon. They would be allowed to use the UFO footage
in a special film project they had been asked to join.
The promised film was reportedly dramatic footage of an encounter between the
occupants of a landed UFO and officials at Holloman Air Force Base. It
impressed Emenegger who described what he saw in 1988, "What I saw and heard
was enough to convince me that the phenomenon of UFOs is real very real.
The project was described to the two producers as a documentary on a secret
government project. When the two men discovered that the topic of the secret
project would be UFOs, they were surprised because "they had assumed that the
matter had been resolved with the closure of Project Blue Book in 1969.
The documentary was to be sponsored by the Department of Defense in a claimed
attempt to do a public relations turnaround, which was needed because of the
Vietnam War. At least that is the story Emenegger and Sandler were told by
Bill Coleman. A number of different subjects were proposed for the
documentaries, but no other subject, other than UFOs, were brought up.
The two documentary producers were told that the government was now ready to
release all the facts about the alien presence on earth. They were shown
evidence that they could use for their tell-all documentary. This evidence
included:
- Photographs and films of UFOs. - Pictures of grey-skinned alien beings. - A
16mm movie film of an alien in the company of an Air Force officer. The two
men were told that this alien had survived a 1949 crash and it had been kept
at a safe house in Los Alamos until its death in 1952. - 800 feet of film
showing a landed encounter between three aliens and Holloman Air Base
officials during a landing that had reportedly occurred there in May 1971.
Several thousand feet of additional material was also offered. - Photos of
UFOs taken by astronauts, which NASA had formally denied the existence of.
As the documentary neared completion, the two producers waited for the
promised dramatic alien landing footage. Colonel Bill Coleman who had first
made the offer to provide it in 1972, however, withdrew it. According to what
Emenegger told researcher Tim Good, Coleman had declared, "The timing was
politically inappropriate, due to the Watergate scandal.
The Emenegger/Sandler documentary, "UFOS, Past, Present, and Future released
by Sandler Films in 1974, was forced to use standard animation, background
film taken at Holloman, and "elaborate drawing of the so-called aliens. At
least that is what the producers thought when they first ran the film. Later,
indications arose that indicated 12 seconds of the actual Holloman landing
might have been part of the "training film material they were provided. As an
interesting footnote to the Disney story, Emenegger reported that he and
Sandler had also talked with the Disney people during the time period they
were working on the documentary. The people who they spoke to at the Disney
studios "seemed to be involved and interested, but not have any particularly
startling data.
In 1983, the United States government made yet another offer of dramatic UFO
film for a UFO documentary. The offer was made to documentary film producer
Linda Moulton Howe and HBO. They were approached and offered the same
Holloman landing film along with a film of the live alien that lived in a Los
Alamos safe house from 1949-1952.
While preparing to make a UFO documentary for HBO, Howe was given information
by Richard Doty, a special agent with Air Force OSI at Kirtland AFB
(Albuquerque). Doty claims that higher ups were willing to release special
confirming UFO information for her documentary. Howe described the film
offer,
"The government intended to release to me several thousand feet of color and
black and white film taken between 1947 and 1964 showing crashed UFO discs
and extraterrestrial bodies in historic footage to be included in the HBO
documentary supported with official government confirmation."eeeeeeeeee
As with Kimball and the Emenegger/Sandler team, the promised film was never
released to Howe. Despite Doty,s claim that the government had authorized the
release of film showing crashed saucers and alien bodies for use in the HBO
documentary, it never materialized due to "political delays. When the alleged
historical film footage didn,t materialized, HBO canceled the documentary.
In 1985, another offer of historic UFO footage was made to Robert Emenegger.
Colonel Robert Coleman, now retired from the Air force Public Relations
department, indicated the time was again right, and the government might be
willing to release key confirming information confirming the extraterrestrial
presence on earth. Suggestions are even made that Senator Barry Goldwater,
and former President Jimmy Carter "would help obtain the release of the
promised film.
One of the conditions tied to the release, however, was that prominent UFO
researchers Jacques Vallee and J. Allen Hynek had to get involved in the film
project. The reason for this is that a key to getting the information
promised by the government is that the film had to be "professional enough
and interesting enough to reopen the whole subject before the American
people.
Emenegger again believed that the information is about to be released.
Vallee, on the other hand, was "negative and skeptical about the offer being
made. He felt that if the government wanted to release the information they
could simply go to someone like the national Academy of Sciences and announce
the discovery of the alien presence.
Both Vallee and Hynek feel the Air Force was again playing games and were
trying to use them to deliberately mislead the public. Between themselves
they concluded that they could not support Emenegger,s plan, but "if there
was any chance of uncovering genuine evidence they would pursue it "behind
the scenes. Hynek and Vallee did pursue some interviews at Norton Air Force
Base where two Generals assured them they could produce the UFO footage, but
the two researchers weren,t buying and the deal was finally withdrawn.
In the late eighties, the government was again busy. This time they floated
an offer of an interview with the keeper of the live alien that had been held
at Los Alamos. The man had been a Captain in the early fifties when the alien
was still alive. He was now a Colonel, near death and prepared to talk. Those
presented with the offer were documentary producer Robert Emenegger,
documentary producer Linda Howe, and author Bill Moore. This offer like the
many before it experienced delay after delay, and a final withdrawal of the
offer.
The final twist in this bizarre disclosure saga brings us back to Ward
Kimball. A prominent British photographer by the name of Don Maloney reported
in 1995, that in 1972 he had been in the United States and was having dinner
with the head of the Disney Studios, and four of the nine original Disney
animators. Ward Kimball was one of the four at the table.
While this was going on Maloney reported that he was introduced to another
man, identified in one account as a "well-known Disney employee. The man
offered to show Maloney some unusual film footage at his house. When Maloney
saw it he described it as "old footage of UFOs, and "two beings that he was
told were aliens. UFO investigator Georgina Bruni interviewed Mike Maloney
about his early 1970s encounter at Disney. She described what Maloney told
her about the aliens he had been shown on the film:
"One, which appeared to be dead, was laid out on a table - or slab, the other
was clearly alive and moving around on the floor. He was given no information
as to the source of the footage, which he was told was "top secret", but he
was in no doubt that it was a genuine piece of old film. Mike described it as
being similar to the alien autopsy footage that had been shown on television.
(The Fox "Alien Autopsy film) At no time did he say it was the same, just
similar. Of the footage he personally viewed, he said: If the film that I saw
was a fake, it was a brilliant fake.,
Was the "well-know employee Kimball, or was there a second "well-known Disney
employee who was also a UFO buff? Was the Kimball Disney story told by
Kimball in 1979, just a cover for a film that the Disney people had gotten
from the government? Maloney has not yet released the name of the man who
showed him the film. If it was Kimball who showed the alien film in his
house, then the government now knows where that missing UFO film went.
If it wasn,t Kimball who showed Maloney the conclusive E.T. footage, then
Ward Kimball, like many UFO researchers before him, had spent many decades of
his life gathering strong evidence of the E.T. presence, and died before he
could hear the government confirmed his suspicions.
If that is the case then welcome to the club Ward!
The Presidents UFO Story
http://fly.to/hollowearth
"Behind the scenes, high-ranking military officers are soberly
concerned about the UFOs."
-Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, New York Times, February 28, 1960
"I don't laugh anymore at people when they say they've seen UFOs,
I've seen one myself."
-President Jimmy Carter, ABC News, January 22, 1999
"I am convinced that these objects do exist and that they are not
manufactured by any nation on this Earth."
-Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding, London Sunday Dispatch, July 11,
1954
"The evidence points to the fact that Roswell was a real incident and
that indeed an alien craft did crash, and that material was recovered
from the crash site."
-Apollo Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, 1999
"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not
constructed by any power on this Earth."
-President Harry S. Truman, April 4, 1950, White House Press
Conference
"In my opinion, the UFO problem... constitutes an area of
extraordinary scientific interest."
-Dr. James McDonald, Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, UFOs: A
Scientific Debate
"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is
imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose
is."
-Adm. R. Hillenkoetter, 1st Director of the CIA, 1960
"It is my conclusion that UFOs do exist, are very real, and are
spaceships from another or more than one solar system."
-Dr. Herman Oberth, father of modern rocketry, UFO News, 1974
"I do believe UFOs exist and that the truly unexplained ones are from
some other technically advanced civilization."
-Gordon Cooper, USAF pilot, NASA astronaut, November 27, 1978
"The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary of
fictitious."
-General Nathan Twining, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, 1955-1958,
September 23, 1947
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"Stormymouse :P" wrote:Hello to everyone!
I am just wondering if there is anyone else that has experienced drastic changes in beliefs based on the whole extra terrestrial and planetary stuff. I cant explain it cuz I never had an intrest in it all before but I am hooked to it all for some reason it started by a fascination at meditating on the planets and pics of the planets which has become more intense. Now I just feel this inner knowing when I see crop circles and hear or read about extra terrestrial life. I have absolutely no fear of it all and I just feel at peace with it all and like I have some sort of knowing about it all. I have had a few experiences with some being of light and this sort of coincides with it all. I absolutely had no intrest in all of this before the K experience and now I feel it is a large part of my life but I dont feel like we are that much different than these other beings people seemed to be terrrified of. My hubby has always been obsessed with this stuff and he has visions and things that have begun happening, he has never been spiritual before and has always been so closed up but things are happening to him and he is filled with anxiety there are some nights he cant sleep from the visions and things. I have no fear towards it but he does???? Anyway my point I guess is am I normal lol are there others that have developed intrests like this. My intrests are based on my experiences I just dont really have much of an intrest in studying the scientific junk I just love the meditative inner knowing feeling stuff more than anything.
Love and Light
Kristy
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