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Recieved: 2002/07/22 19:09
Subject: [K-list] Re: *what if* ?...was"Projections"
From: lavinaleone
On 2002/07/22 19:09, lavinaleone posted thus to the K-list:
--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy..., Mystress Angelique Serpent
<mystressATnospamf...> wrote:
> At 11:50 PM 18/07/02, lavinaleone wrote:
> >he was saying that the reason for spiritual quests to rejoin
> >the 'collective' is a backwards step for those who are unable to
keep
> >up with the progress of spirit. And it is those who can not cut it
> >wish to return to what is already known, and comfortable. The
> >advanced spiritual persons are those who have the courage and the
> >staying power to move beyond what is known, to stick it out on
*this*
> >plane.
>
> With most awakenings, the first part of the process is to move
upward
> through the chakras, out of the physical and into the All. Many do
stop
> there, having attained their spiritual goals, and often have a kind
of
> prejudice against physicality as "inferior". This is not correct.
This prejudice is what I think he was arguing against. I too get
annoyed at those who talk down the physical as if it is at best crude
and distastful. One woman in particular sounded envious of the womans
death saying something like she prays daily for her own deliverance
to be called back to her maker.
It is a
> kind of movement backwards, in a way... like trying to crawl back
into the
> womb... but it is also a necessary part of the process.
Like a remembering? Of what we ARE? That would make sense to me.
Although I think it a strange thing to have forgotten in the first
place. Discovering it has been both horrific and joyful. It is
easiest to believe when things go smooth, and easier to place blame
elsewhere when things are rough.
secretly, I have wondered if the rough spots are my doing and the
smooth places are *as they should be* but I hadn't had the
inclination to mess with them to mess them up, but that is a personal
jinx syndrom I am trying to pry myself loose from. shhhhh, it is a
secret : )
> The second part of the process is a movement downward,
integrating
> the spiritual insights into physicality, daily life. This is the
more
> challenging part of the process, learning to see perfection in the
> dog-eat-dog rat race of humanity and all of the physical world.
>
> This is the hard part, but once you get past the hard part is
when
> things start to get really interesting... because E=MC2 matter is
energy
> and energy is matter and thoughts are energy, so your thoughts get
more
> power to affect matter... the world kind of opens up into a very
cool
> playground for spirits having a human experience.
>
This is how I like to imagine that it will play out, that once I have
mastered myself sufficiently that I will be able to have more
*something* not power, I do not seek power, but mastering the process
I think will open possibilities that at this level I can not even
imagine, power is about the only word that comes to mind, but it is
not a word that really means what I seek. Good heavens if I were to
come into this kind of knowing at this point in my learning I think
it would be dangerous. Little baby steps as I have been taking are
enough for me, I think I am more, but I rather like putting the
pieces together a little at a time. I like the game of being human.
> If time and space do not exist, then there really can be
nothing "new"
> under the sun, so to speak... so his idea of evolving in new ways
may not
> be real... everything that can be, is in the Now... But as we
experience
> time, we experience newness, and that is enough.
>
I do not understand the concept of space and time not existing, I
cannot wrap my little mind around this possibility, the idea that
there can be nothing new bothers me. I get bored easily and like to
discover things that are new, even if they are old news to someone
else. But it is not important, there are so many things that *appear*
new to me that I do not think I will have to worry about it much in
this life. As you explain it, I agree, I experience newness and that
IS enough for me. So far anyway.
> Share this with your group if you like.. Blessings!
I am not verbal in this group, most of them are or at least present
themselves as being superior, I may share it with the one guy though,
he isn't intimidated by the group, better than that he isn't annoyed
by ideas that are differnt than his own. Reading what you have
written though I think the two of you are saying the same thing. The
spiritual and the physical compliment each other. Or at least they do
when mastered.
Did I get that right?
Lavina
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