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Recieved: 2002/05/20 18:41
Subject: [K-list] :) Let's be real with each other
From: lionessbleu1
On 2002/05/20 18:41, lionessbleu1 posted thus to the K-list:
I pass this along per erik's request....
----- Original Message -----
From: "bhutanbodhi"
To: "lionessbleu1" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 5:37 PM
Subject: Ler's be real with each other
> hi,
>
>
> > I don't know about recursive but I do know from personal
experience
> > that "God is in the details" (Albert Einstein). Whether you call
it
> > God/dess, Divine Consciousness, the stuff of the
> > Universe...Intelligence innervates the material and immaterial.
> Don't
> > ask me to prove it...I can't.
>
> I didn't ask for proof, i asked for your definition. There is no
> god/ess, as far as i'm concerned, besides objects thought, it's
only a
> perception and view of something very super.
erik,
So there is no god/dess...true there isn't...so what are you gonna
call It?...I think the Tao would be a good idea. It is easier for
people to relate, in my experience, to the archetypes of god and
goddess and the languaging that goes with it. It is also more fun.
>
> > I guess you would want to make love to an artificial woman, less
> than
> > authentic, not genuine...an extension of your projections? A real
> > woman defined by me is emotionally healthy...more than just the
> > environmental 3D meat suit that she inhabits.
>
> As long as she loved me, i loved her, we'd be able to 'make love'.
> I'm not sure i've ever met a any "emotionally healthy" women yet. I
> may have and not got a chance to see if they were emotionally
healthy.
How would you define "emotionally healthy" in your context?
>
> > > But then i never said i knew what a woman wanted, did I?
> >
> > This woman and all her real women friends will tell you what they
> > want. Oh, and not to be sexist about it...real men will tell you
> what
> > they want in a woman and they do not enjoy needy women as well.
>
> Well, i would be interested in knowing what the specific person
> wanted. Not from her friends and other ego structured ideals.
Generally, women tend to want the same qualities in a partner...the
other stuff is just frosting open to the design of personal
preference.
>
> > > >You might as well paint
> > > > yourself with good woman repellant magic. :)
> > >
> > > Well, i'm close, i've been wearing the same clothes for the last
> > > three> months!
> >
> > Yes...that would definately make a woman want you...especially the
> > kind that wants to save and rescue you...sorta like your mom and
if
> > you want to make love to your mother...go ahead.
>
> Well, i don't know who my real mother is, i was adopted. And with
> regards to the repellant, if i don't smell natural, and she can't
see
> beyond the stereo types of society, then i don't think i'd want her
> either. Now, being 'saved' is rediculous, i'm a lion, i already
know
> that i can't be saved. I mean i have lots to offer.
I am glad you know you can't be saved. The irony is many people think
you can be. So many do we now have a name for them: "rescuers". In a
larger sense there can be no victims without rescuers or rescuers
without victims. In your situation right now the government would be
your closest thing to a rescuer. Nothing bad or wrong about it. We
can all use a helping hand now and then. Actually, if you want a
helping hand all your life...go for it and live within the
limitations and privileges that gives you.
This isn't about your real biological mother but an archetype that
becomes manifested in humans.. I didn't say you had an actual
smell...I said repellant magic. Its an energy state. In other
people's eyes you may be a magic magnet for attracting a particular
kind of people in your life. Looking at your own life based on your
results you can see what kind of "magic" is working in your life.
>
>
> > Dead or not...they left an example...
>
>
> yah, and look at the example jesus left for us, i'm sure ghandi had
> some issues with some of those who used his examples. Of coarse
i've
> never read the bible so i'm just guessing here. Using some post
> colonial understanding.
Pointing to how other people have screwed up their interpretation of
these examples does not negate the integrity or validity of the
original examples. Blaming someone because they fail to live up to
the power of the intent of the example is self defeating and a straw
man argument. The point is what do * you* do with these
examples...not someone else.
>
> > Then you desire to be in the situation you are in....and if it is
> so
> > simple to change then why are you writing the list about your
> > situation?
>
> I don't desire to be in the situation i am in, i am just there/here
> where ever. It isn't simple to change my situation, i'm caught in
> the middle of welfare reform and an american invasion of canada.
> And at least have someone that is helping me out, with a place to
> sleep.
If you know this is a transitory phase...then great. For those who
point to situations that keep them ground down by the "man" there are
many who use that as an opportunity to move to a higher way of living.
>
> > >
> > > >If you were a spiritual you wouldn't be on this list.
> > >
> > > REally? wow, why do you say that?
> >
> > Freudian slip. I left the word master out. But if the Freudian
slip
> > is an indication of what my unconscious believes...there it is. I
> > should qualify by saying that authentic masters won't be making
> > statements about their life like you are.
>
> What? Oh, wait that's right i claimed to a master before i was
born.
> Where did my papers go?...shit i lost them, now how do i get some
new
> ones...SHIT it costs how much to get a certificate?
A certificate of what? Mastership? There aren't any. The way you live
your life and the results that you manifest is the testimony to a
life lived in mastery. Are you living a life that exemplifies
mastery? If you can't pay the rent and feed your children...is that a
spirtual master? Mastership is about balance and moderation.
>
> > >
> > > And that would consist of?
> >
> > If you do not know or even begin to understand the wonderful,
> > ecstatic joy of relishing life on this planet...I do not know
> where
> > to even begin with you. Do you believe you deserve anything of
> value?
>
>
> I wish i could understand the ecstaticness of electricity flowing
> thru
> my body, and feel the wind move throughout my whole body and dance
in
> unison with the ants on my head too, as my third eye opens up and
> looks inside to see what it can find.
Somethings are difficult to understand and always will be to the
rational, conscious mind. I have quit trying to explain or make
sense about the powerful ecstasy that flows inside of me. It just is.
>
> No, don't deserve anything, i have to work for it. No free ride, is
> what i keep hearing. Quality? hmmm, give me the shit, i'll shine it
> up, and make it look good as new and with better quality than the
> original quality shit.
Here is where it gets interesting. You feel you must work for what
you deserve? What do you think you deserve?
And for Quality? Shit is still shit no matter how pretty you make it
up and share it with others. I would rather give you beauty and have
you improve on that. Why do you think you only deserve to be given
shit to work with? Why did you choose those particular words? If this
is not so...how do you explain the realities of your life?
>
> Actually i do deserve the right to grow quality marijuana and
> mushroom, with the constant threat of being terrorized by the police
> and the groups and structure affiliated with that. Of coarse that's
> just an opinion.
So let's pretend you do have that right...would you still be homeless
if you have that right?
>
> > One of the wonderful qualities of kundalini awakening is this
> >drawing
> > into and merging with the Oneness of all life in a real heartfelt
> >way.
>
>
> Well, i'm still trying to figure what the Tao is. After that, maybe
> i'll move on to other things, maybe steal that secret cup from the
> templars and see if i can drink from it, if it doesn't have any
holes
> in it by now. After that, maybe write a book about how i tried to
> drink from a cup with holes in it that some secret group had hidding
> since 750 a.d.!
You can't figure out the Tao. If you do it is not the Tao. Escaping
into humor is one way you cover up the hurt.
>
> > Declaring yourself a victim of the government or whatever you
point
> > your finger at negates your right of free will and disempowers you
> >by
> > taking and diluting your ability to take responsibility for
> yourself
> > and the determination of your future. Blaming what you are on
> > something else perpetuates the victim status. But then that is
your
> > choice...to have no choice. So the Universe honors your exercising
> >of
> > your free will...which is to have none...so you have none. What a
> > powerful creator you are!
>
> Funny you mention free will, because it has been a concept that has
> been a little foggy for me. I don't have the free will to do lots
of
> things, sorry, if i was a status Native, then my choices are a bit
> better. But free will, sounds like a masonic (free masons not to
> be confused with regular masonry) term, why? I can't go to school
> where i will to, though i have free will to choose where i can go,
> not
> where i'm accepted. I can will myself to go to a grocery store but
i
> have no free will, when it come to purchasing power. The Universe
> isn't free either, neither are the fruits it provides us for our
> survival, well, some are, you just gotta find them.
It is my basic belief..and beliefs are just my own personal b.s.
(belief system) that all have the right of free will...to make any
choice that we want. If I didn't have that belief...you and I
wouldn't be talking about anything here...and I wouldn't be on this
list. You have to decide for yourself whether free will operates in
this universe or are we are all victims of unchanging fate. That is
one of the basic tasks one must accomplish on the way to being self-
actualized.
The life you live now is a result of you exercising your right of
free will. In that right you made personal decisions (mostly in an
unconscious, unaware state) along the way which are manifesting in
your life right now. Those decisions have consequences .There is
often a time duration until the consequences of those decisions are
played out. In the meantime, start making conscious decisions on
living your life that take you closer to what it is that you want.
Eventually, the consequences of those conscious decisions will be
begin appearing more frequently than those that were made
unconsciously. Unfortunately, there is a definate time lag between
moving from living in an unconscious state to a conscious state. At
first it seems like life is not changing but little by little as days
go by and you continue to make conscious choices your life slowly
begins to get a little brighter, a little lighter. It also takes
practice and discipline...but you have to start or nothing better
will ever begin to happen for you different in the way you live now.
>
>
> > And an emotinally mature woman can smell that a mile away and
knows
> > it is just a small step before you begin blaming her for what you
> > don't have and how miserable your life is.
>
> I've done that already, though i usually return and admit that it is
> all my fault, regardless of the choices she made with regards to her
> own free will and her ego. Mind you i haven't blamed anyone for
what
> i don't have. Maybe what i ended up loosing. But you'd have to
have
> a full understand as to what was happening within the situation and
> the circumstance which provoked it.
No I don't. I know you are responsible for yourself and yourself
alone. Period. Of course, that is my own personal b.s. and I am
standing by it.
>
>
> > I never said a real woman wants money and objects and your
> body...you
> > did.
>
> Yes, and you critisized me for being homeless and having nothing,
and
> that is not waht a real womant wants.
It may have felt like criticism but it is not. You can be whoever you
want to be. My own bias is that people are supposed to be happy in
what they choose to be. You would not have written to the list if you
were not unhappy with your situation. Sometimes honesty and kindness
feels like cruelty.
I could have spouted new age crap at you...we would have both felt a
little better for awhile but I would still be laying a line of shit
on you.It sounds like you have enough shit around you already, so why
dump more on you. Why not be real with each other?
>
> > Jesus, Ghandi, Krishna and others had their female followers
> who
> > were powerful women. If you think that is all a powerful woman is
> > interested in ...well, they are not but it does make the woman's
> > choices a whole lot easier.
>
> Good for them, though i'm sure the subjective understanding of the
> individuals you mentioned is clear cut and you understand what the
> whole story was, am i right?
I don't know because I don't know what you mean by that question.
>
> > All things considered...if everything was equal and I had to
choose
> > between two men who were level on all things except one was poor
> and
> > had no home and the other could take me out for a nice dinner and
> > offer me a nice comfortable couch to sit on while we play and
flirt
> > and kiss...who do you think I would choose? I don't want to make
> > love to a bum, do you?
>
> That's too much of a generallization, would you be able to say that
> you loved both individuals equally and that your concepts of the
> ideals you have mentioned are rational?
I never said I loved them. I don't have to love a man to have sex or
be intimate with him. It may be too much of a generallization for you
but it is what I want and is how I discern what I want based on my
past experiences. I don't care whether or not the ideals are
rational. Rational to who? Having sex is not always a rational
decision. To tell you the truth I would probably have sex with both
of them, given they both have equal characters, but only consider
something serious with the one who could offer me more than a box to
visit him in.
Oh i forgot, society is
> equal
> and men take women out and pay, i forgot. Wealth is about
> materialism
> not knowledge.
That is what you think, not me. What I know is...the way a person
lives their life is a reflection of their connection with Spirit. A
man who lives his life with passion and joy will have that reflected
in his life. Our relationship with money is a direct reflection of
our relationship with our inner Self. So to go back to my example
about having sex with a bum...I possibly would if I discerned that it
was a temporary situation and not a permanent reflection of inner
chaos.
What if you happened to not see some qualities in the
> bum, that would have ended up shinning bright if you just cleaned
him
> up and took charge (not save him, that's your concept)? Of coarse
> who's to say who would be the right person for you, that's your
> choice. And you based it on a dualistic view of a bum and it's
> opposite.
Actually, I see the awesome beauty of everyone's soul regardless of
how they decide they want to manifest on this planet. Unfortunately,
most people don't want to see this shimmering beauty that lives
within them. They prefer to live out the projections of their
subconscious however they acquired them. They don't believe me when I
tell them that a god or goddess lives inside them. Does that sound
familiar to you?
> >
> > "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't
> stop."
> > Philip K Dick
> who's that?
One of the most famous science fiction writers that ever lived.
http://www.philipkdick.com/
Susan
Krishnamurti: "The moment you have in your heart this
extraordinary thing called love and feel the depth, the delight, the
ecstasy of it, you will discover that for you the world is
transformed."
>
>
>
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