To: K-list
Recieved: 2002/05/05 12:07
Subject: [K-list] Birthing Poll results
From: Druout
On 2002/05/05 12:07, Druout posted thus to the K-list:
Dear List,
Eleven people replied either to the list or to me regarding their births.
Others may have replied directly to Chris. There are too few replies for any
real statistical significance, but the replies themselves are most
interesting! :))
Six were difficult births
Five were easy ones.
It's interesting that "dramatic" or "intense" were words used to describe
their awakening both by people who had difficult *and* easy births.
Difficult K awakening
******** **************
umbilical cord....... Dramatic
umbilical cord ...... Intense
C section ............ Don't know how it affected me
C section ............ No response
Breach ................ Blissful
Forceps ............. Early K, dislike of routine
EASY
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Very easy ............ Very intense, psychosis
Easy, early............ Very intense, so much energy
Very easy ............. Difficult than peaceful, contentment
Born of laughter.......Connected to higher power, Indigo
Quick Easy,Early.....Dramatic
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DIFFICULT
Christopher wrote:
> I would be very interested in some sort of statistics which may
> relate the intensity and type of Spiritual Emergence (K) experience
> with the experiences and/or style/type of birth.
>
> I am particularly interested in any correlation that may exist
> relative to the repression of a child's natural life-force flow
> during the birthing moment by the use of labour assisting drugs,
> pain killers etc. This includes Caesarian section births.
Well that explains it! The umbilical cord got caught round my neck and the
doctor panicked. The midwife took over, saved me from strangulation but not
before I ripped my mother's bits and pieces and she got whisked off to
another hospital on oxygen... or something like that. The one before me
died at birth of heart failure. Is this why my life's been so DRAMATIC
DARLINGS????!
********
Same story for me, my parents said that my umbilical cord got stuck around
my neck and nobody knew what to do. I turned out OK thankfully. I am a
Chicchan in the mayan calendar which is the Red Serpent and has everything
or almost, to do with kundalini
> Have you had an easy or difficult K awakening?
I didn't do anything to trigger it, I was talking to a really foxy girl at
an outdoor party when another foxy girl stands by me. I guess it happened
with good company :)
> How intense has it been?
Oh, it was intense. I was feeling it all in my spine right up to my brain
lobes. All I could see was a white light at the time, and I was feeling
posessed. I can say that it was blissful and full of agony both at a same
time. <snip>
I [was] born ...a week late at least. I have always hated school and
sometimes have been perceved as an outcast. This may determine the
caracteristicts of an indigo kid.
**********
i am a c-section birth (stolen from the womb in my peaceful slumber:) and i
have only recently realized that i was never born!
i believe that this has affected me in ways that i don't yet understand...i
would be very interested in hearing other folks experience of this
**********
I am a c-section also. I don't know how that has affected me. I think being
born "differently" isn't the same as not being born at all. It's just
different, that's all. I was a heavy baby, 11 lbs. I had to be c section,
because I was so big. And my mom was in labor at the time, I probably was
ready to come out. My brother wasn't, he was a c section also, and when they
went to take him out he tried to crawl up into my mothers innards to escape.
*************
I don't know what drugs were involved, but I was a breach birth and a twin.
Probably a bit of rivalry there LOL! Strong nightly blissful experiences.
*************
I was pulled from my mothers womb by forceps. There are many stories around
my family about how they could never get me in a routine. I live that one to
this day, routines never work for me.
I guess I was about 5 when what could be K rising began.
I was sent to shrinks and tested for every neurological disorder known to
man until I was about 15 when I had enough and refused to cooperate any
further. The only diagnosis I ever got was bi polar and an over active
imagination.
As I stated in an earlier email, I began 'seeing' energy move when I was
about 7. My grandmother encouraged it but after she died (I was 9) my family
would chastise me for anything they perceived as abnormal. So I suppressed
it then.
************
EASY
> Did you have a difficult birth?
As far as I know - no. My mother was still walking in the corridor of the
clinic with nearly full dilation. Then when they checked, she was ready to
push and pushed me out in two pushes - no drugs or anything.
> Have you had an easy or difficult K awakening?
Well, awakening K didn't seem to difficult - it was what came after for the
next 10 years that was extremely difficult, going through hell many times,
mania, psychosis.
> How intense has it been?
Very.
> I am particularly interested in any correlation that may exist
> relative to the repression of a child's natural life-force flow
> during the birthing moment by the use of labour assisting drugs,
> pain killers etc. This includes Caesarian section births.
So no, nothing like that, however, it was pregnancy that was very difficult
for my mother emotionally: my father backing out, leaving her, threatening
her and forcing her to have an abortion. When she didn't want to, he
publicly told lies about her, proclaimed her to be a slut, a whore etc.
I felt all of this inside the womb - since I relived it many times during
psychotic episodes and finally well-guided and without psychosis during
hypnotherapy.
Recently, during labour and childbirth, I felt a manic episode coming up in
my head. When I asked myself what was underneath; a deeply felt loneliness
came up, missing my father at (my own) birth, when I was a baby. I cried and
the starting mania disappeared. Some more old trauma cleared.
I start to believe fathers are indispensable - they should be there, with
all of their heart, to guide their children into the world.
**********
I was not a difficult birth. I was about 4 weeks early like my sister and my
two daughters. My mother used some sort of spinal thing for pain relief
which she also did for my sister and brother. my brother was about 6 weeks
early and neither of my siblings have even shown remote signs of k or even
have an interest in anything spiritual. I am the odd one I guess (but in a
good way :) anyway I had a lousy childhood full of learning problems and
extreme shyness and insecurity was frightened of everyone even parents. the
funny thing is this started from the time I was a baby on no one understood
me at all they didnt know what to think of me I was the black sheep. I was a
easy baby according to my mom it wasnt untill I was about a yr old that my
fears and insecurity's and shyness set in. anyway it escelated greatly untill
I was about 21 to severe depression, suicidal tendancies and severe panic
attacks. At that time I new I needed to better my life before it slipped
away and I am 25 now and I am doing really well and now I know life can be
good (I still have bad k days but without the probs back then) I still have
a lot of emotional traumas to work out. the K became really obvious about a
yr ago and it has really help me release some of them. Anyway I dont know
what else to say cuz I dont know much more.
Anyway unlike my birth it has been paced sort of moderate I guess but
compared to what Im not sure. I dont really know what is considered fast.
when I first awakened I felt the burning up the spine and back and was very
sick due to energy blockages and so much energy. it was a very stressful time
for me tons of emotions coming up I was an emotional and physical wreck the
energy only went to my solar plexus. it felt like then it quieted down after
a couple of months and seemed to go away which I was very pleased at the time
because it really frightened me. after about a month I receieved my 3 Reiki
attunments in a weekend thinking my K energy was gone for good but shortly
afterwards it came back much much stronger ready to rise above the solar
plexus into my heart. it was very intense for me. the physical symptoms had
been greatly reduced (Im thinking becuase of the Reiki) but the emotional
symptoms were horrible for me. I had to really work on pulling myself
together it was very frightning. I found this list soon after and even know I
was prone to panic attacks they had increased so much since the initial rise
that I had to use an antidepressant I just couldnt function on a daily basis.
Well anyway it has felt like a very long road (lol about 15 months) and at
this point the K is rising to my head now and it has been a little hard to
get used to at times. I have begun the symptoms I have read others having
when the k rises to my head it is sooo overwhelming and it seems to make my
thoughts race my head aches and I have to calm myself because I feel as
though I am losing control. I am no longer using an antidepressant been off a
while I cope w/out the use of them now and am really feeling like I am moving
along. I have visions and have started seeing auras and have had some amazing
spiritual encounters. it has really taught me alot about life I am doing ok
so far but am hoping that I can continue to hold myself together. I dont want
you to think I am so confident I dont get scared becauese I still have fears
but I try not to dwell on them. I have such a long ways to go. Anyway I feel
like I am going at the perfect pace for myself at this time am very pleased.
:)
**********
My birth was very easy. I was the sixth birth for my mother, and am
told she almost dropped me in the elevator to the delivery room. My
childhood was not an easy one, mainly due to the fact that my mother
had some mental difficulties. I was always playing the "peacemaker"
in the family and trying to prevent stress and promote harmony. As a
result, I have blockages in my throat chakra. It is still very
difficult for me to stand up for myself and/or deal with
confrontation.
Two years after my Reiki training, I had a long string of difficult
circumstances (deaths of both parents, laid off my job, then found I
had breast cancer.) Now that my cancer treatments are over the
kundalini seems to be rising a lot. Since the cancer diagnosis and
9/11 terrorism happened at the same time, it seems that not much
stresses me any more. I have not gone back to work yet, so I have
more time to meditate and read and work in my garden, so I feel
pretty peaceful.
So, I guess, to summarize: easy birth, difficult childhood,
kundalini starts rising, difficult 2 years followed by 3 months of
peace and contentment. Maybe I should knock on wood? LOL.
Sorry I took so long to introduce myself, and thank you all for
sharing your wisdom and beliefs.
************
This answer also, I believe, fits
into the spirit of this list, into which I landed by total mistake...I was
trying to sign up for Indigo Adults.
First, let me give you the basics. I don't know. ;-) My mother didn't
have a c-section. I'm pretty sure she let the docs do what they did, drugs
and all. She's like that. Nothing abnormal. However, I was told later
that it was Imogene Coca made her laugh so hard she went into labor...that
would be a good thing, however, she (my mother) ended up telling me that she
wanted to go into a closet and not come out. IOW, she didn't want to go
throught the process. Well, great.
Here's my opinion...we've already signed up to do what we're about in this
lifetime. Parents are most times necessary roadblocks, altho' they might be
considered learning tools or angels. I dont' know. However, whatever
happened to me at or during birth has NOTHING, repeat, nothing to do with
Who I Am today. And anyone who thinks this might be so is fooling
themselves. See? Typical Indigo Adult!
Another thing...any sort of trauma associated with birth is not to do with
earthly matters. It has to do with the separation from God. K-awakening
for me had nothing to do with anything but me and my connection to my Higher
Power.
**********
My own birth: Mother went to the hospital about a week before I was due. She
was told that it would be at least a day before I arrived...and that her
doctor would be in later on in the morning anyway just to check-in on her.
They put her in a pre-labour room....where I arrived immediately after,
bright and early at 6:00'ish in the morning...BEFORE any doctors could TOUCH
me. ( Nurses only were there to assist my speedy delivery into the world.)
I have NEVER trusted doctors in this life very well. Go figure!!! My own
son did the same trick with his birth...although I had already planned a home
birth with midwives, he came 5 weeks early on the ONLY day that BOTH of them
were out of the country!!!! The stand-in midwives and I then decided to go
to the hospital due to the prematurity of my labour....NOT SO said my
son,...as soon as I agreed to go to the hospital where the 'doctors' would be
to 'help' me...he decided to arrive within 5 minutes!! ( my daughter's
arrival was similar but not as early and definitely gentler and more
peacefully....just like both of my children's nature's are today at 9 and 7
years old. My son is an eager bright eyed going concern who 'can't wait' to
jump into the next miracle of life. My daughter too has carried with her
gentler, more peacefully angelic nature.) My own K awakening:
Like my birth, fast and happening before I could blink my eyes!
( I can give you the precice time and date of my K awakening! It shattered
all of who I had THOUGHT I was in a single moment....which had attached to it
a memory of hospitals and doctors while I was unconscious too!....still not
fond of Doctors, the most impressive teachers I've yet to experience.)
Intensity of K:
Like my quick birth, the intensity of K and my journey continues on the
'dramatic path'.
Sent headlong into it all always before any warning or knowing until 'after'
things shift.
...and I LOVE it....even when it scares me to death, and feels darker than
the longest night...I always know that on the OTHER SIDE I will be new. :0)
Still breathing!
*********
End
Many thanks to all who responded!
Love, Hillary
***********
Poll Question
Did you have a difficult birth?
Have you had an easy or difficult K awakening?
How intense has it been?
Thanks everyone!
****
Chris writes:
I would be very interested in some sort of statistics which may
relate the intensity and type of Spiritual Emergence (K) experience
with the experiences and/or style/type of birth.
I am particularly interested in any correlation that may exist
relative to the repression of a child's natural life-force flow
during the birthing moment by the use of labour assisting drugs,
pain killers etc. This includes Caesarian section births.
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