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Recieved: 2002/01/22  09:56  
Subject: RE: [K-list] Re: suicide stuff 
From: Rich
  
On 2002/01/22  09:56, Rich posted thus to the K-list: Great post.
 
1) 
When our problems become so overbearing or our purposes (highest goals) 
have been destroyed or blunted then we often flip over into a new 
identity (being) with different goals, usually opposed to that of our 
original goals. This is the wheel we are generally all spinning on 
across lifetimes.
 
2) 
We also can get so attached to our problems that even when we erase our 
beliefs and ideas that hold them in place we tend to still re-create 
them. Sometimes there is real back-to-front thinking in a lot of our 
deepest issues.
 
Like, fear brings us love. As when we are fearful others may comfort and 
nurture us. So we end up causing events which are most unpleasant to us 
and have a real hard time with them - we forgot what started the ball 
rolling in the first place and blame everything on others or god or 
ourselves, without knowing the real why.
 
There is no mental structure that cannot be undone with the right tools. 
The problem with us creators is that we forgot how to dis-create! If we 
can remember or relearn this then when can become so much more at cause.
 A great little technique for doing this is to say out loud how you want 
things to be as if they are now - like I am filled with love - and then 
handle (or release) any discomfort, unwanted thoughts or blocks to this. 
I know many of you will already know this! When we don't do this we 
often attract to us the 'resistance' to what we do actually want.
 
3. 
Life isn't meaningless. Life takes on the meaning that you give it or 
you create meaning from the experience life gives you. Just is the case 
for the 'world of work' - it's not evil - only if you judge or label it 
that.
 Have fun,
 
Rich
 >  -----Original Message----- 
>  From: lionessbleu1 [mailto:divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com] 
>  Sent: 22 January 2002 02:16 
>  To: K-list  
>  Subject: [K-list] Re: suicide stuff 
>   
>  We can never run or flee from our problems. We might relieve the 
stress of them for 
>  a little while, make it a little manageable, but we can never run and 
hide from the 
>  problems we have in the world. They will come back and often larger 
in scope 
>  because they are warning signs of an internal breakdown and disorder. 
>   
>  Why is that? We are the creators of our problems. Wherever I run and 
go I take my 
>  own unique problems with me. There is no grass is greener on the 
other side of the 
>  fence. We are such powerful creators we will create those problems 
all over again to 
>  manifest wherever we go in life. Your life is a reflection of your 
internal belief 
>  systems. Your belief systems create the world you live in. (oh my, 
holy Matrix, 
>  Batman). 
>   
>  This is where the paradox of suicide comes in. We kill ourselves to 
escape our 
>  problems. There is something not logical about that. The creator 
kills himself to 
>  escape his creation. A god with a healthy self image at least will 
kill or destroy his 
>  creation and then start anew, with a clean canvas or new materials. 
If it doesn't 
>  work again, destroy it and start over again. A true god would never 
think of killing 
>  himself because his creation was crappy.  :) How ungodlike for a god 
knows the 
>  difference between himself and his creation. He is not his creation 
although his 
>  creation is of him. 
>   
>  Unfortunately, humans are masters at creating in their lives what 
they don't want 
>  rather than what they do want. The bright side in this is they can 
relearn and retrain 
>  themselves to create what they want. The sad thing is most people 
have not a clue 
>  what they really want in their life or what that looks like so their 
lives reflect this 
>  mismash of unfocused concentration, weak, watery, no joy or passion. 
>   
>  The world of work is evil and has no meaning at all because you 
believe it to be so. 
>  My perception of the world is I am at play in it's fields. You and I 
can have the same 
>  job, same life circumstances and I respond differently because I 
perceive life 
>  differently. 
>   
>  One of the biggest secrets of life is one I say over and over again 
and no one hears it 
>  but yet it is key to understanding ourselves and our world. 
>   
>  That big secret is: Life is meaningless.  Yep, it is true. You heard 
it here first. You 
>  don't have to figure that out for yourself. But this is a wonderful 
piece of info but 
>  people never take the next big leap and see...Yes, life is 
meaningless...AND...Life 
>  has only the meaning I give to it. 
>   
>  My question to you would be what is it about you that is meaningless? 
What is your 
>  own value in your eyes? Do you not see this beautiful, wonderful, 
lovely God being 
>  looking into your eyes when you look into your mirror in the morning? 
That is what I 
>  see when I look at you. I know that is who I am. I know who you are, 
do you? If you 
>  don't see this wonderful image of perfection when you look into your 
own eyes then 
>  it is time to discover where the gap between illusion and reality 
begins and close it. 
>   
>  I mentioned in another post about healing we must learn to love 
God/dess Self with 
>  our own hearts, minds, body and soul. Then it follows to love our 
neighbors as 
>  ourselves. We can't love our neighbors with any degree of respect or 
tender regard 
>  than we give ourselves regardless how we think we are loving them. It 
truly is only 
>  counterfeit love...not authentic or genuine. 
>   
>  Krishnamurti: "The moment you have in your heart this 
>  extraordinary thing called love and feel the depth, the delight, the 
>  ecstasy of it, you will discover that for you the world is 
transformed." 
>   
>  So here is another example of tough love...more like a swift kick in 
the ass. 
>   
>  Love yourself truely, gently, deeply and with passion. Honor 
yourself. 
>  Be gentle with yourself. Treat yourself with the respect for the god 
you truly are. 
>   
>  Once you are awakened by kundalini your problems don't go away. Oh 
no..they 
>  magnify and intensify exponentially until you start screaming, "I 
surrender! I 
>  surrender all!" Don't expect Kundalini to melt away your 
problems...it just makes the 
>  mirror which you look into your soul much more focused, intensified 
by the Divine...it 
>  points out that which does not resonate with the Divine and brings 
pressure upon 
>  you to clean that out. Once you are starting to get clean on the 
inside...then the 
>  outside, your life, will reflect the newness of your heart and 
spirit. 
>   
>  You probably won't even hear half of what I write here. We can only 
retain what we 
>  are ready to receive. I can only hope you prove me wrong. 
>   
>  If you copy this post I just wrote and diligently begin to reflect on 
what I have 
>  written, just these concepts will transform your life and save you a 
lot of time and 
>  money spent in therapy and mood changing alternatives. 
>   
>  It is a beginning for you, not the ending. 
>   
>  Susan 
>   
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org   
 
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