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Recieved: 2001/11/03 18:35
Subject: Re:[K-list] Re:[2] Fw: Tantra Course Notes
From: Hbkta
On 2001/11/03 18:35, Hbkta posted thus to the K-list:
--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy..., Nick Masters <nmastersATnospamp...> wrote:
>
> HBKTAATnospamA... wrote on 10/29/01 8:56:22 PM: to Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy...
> >But, as you note, some people do operate that way, keeping track
of
> >every jot and tittle so as to know the score of who owes who what.
> >
>
> That is not what I was noting. I was noting the balance of
exchange that is maintained between
> spiritual beings and that when that exchange is out of whack an
ethical being will strive to restore
> the balance.
And how is one to know it is out of balance, unless someone is
keeping 'score.'
> I am sorry, but I don't understand why this is so hard to
understand.
It is not.
>Do you go to
> the store and just take items off the shelf and start eating them?
Not paying for the service. It's
> free from Mother Earth. Of course the time and effort that others
put into bringing such a service
> are of no concern. Right? Since they are desiring money in return
for their work then they are
> evil capitalists.
You are being a bit facetious here.
Of course I pay for the groceries.
physical, material resourses are finite, limited. and if I want
oranges, I had better pay for them, else tommorrow the orchard may be
a parking lot where nothing can be grown.
Growing food requires finite resourses, this is not the same with the
mental/psychic realm or the spiritual realm.
I have five oranges, when I give one or two away to a hungry person I
am left with less, and I must in some way earn the $ to buy more, or
grow more if I want ot have 5. That is life in the material world.
This is not so in mental or spiritual realms.
Not in my experience anyways.
When I share my ideas, I do not loose anything, more often than not
the act of sharing generates new ideas, new outlooks on the matter. I
do not start the meter everytime I write or open my mouth. {but this
is going to cost you $5,000, in U.S. currency. Ok. cause that is what
I am worth! :-)} Similarily in the spiritual sphere, my acts of
giving have never left me with less, left me 'burnt out' but always
with greater energy, deeper bliss, etc. the only times I get
that 'burned out' feeling is if "I" am giving with expectation of
results; if "I" think "I" am doing or accomplishing. ie only when I
get involved in an ego dance.
>
> And it's not people that operate that way, some do of course, but
the naturally tendency of
> spiritual beings to maintain balance within the relationship.
And if someone does not agree with your version of the truth here,
does that mean they are not a spiritual being. It sounds to me like
just another version of, "The ungrateful wretch, look at all I have
done for him/her. and what do I get in return? not enough!!"
> If one person is constantly giving only
> and another receiving only then an unhealthy relationship is the
result. Nothing of good will come
> from such an encounter.
and there are alternate interpretations of the dynamics of the
relationship you have described, ie where you were counselling with
no charge and the woman was always trying to do things for you.
an ego dance, helpless victim, and the rescuer. It is so easy to set
oneself up in another's eyes as the source of knowledge, as the
source of relief, as the means to the way out. And when one is
feeling helpless, hopless and one 'finds' someone who one sees as the
way out, one will do what one has to do to keep that seemingly all
powerful, all knowing person around. "One must propitiate the gods to
maintain their favour."
Such propitiation is an emotional step up from helplessness, and the
motivational underlying feelings concerned with the act of
propitiation are fodder for deeper counselling and exploration.
I give free, and fee based, classes in eight-fold yoga.
I do not have to worry about wasting time with insincere "students."
The discipline involved in yoga weeds them out automatically whether
they have paid or are in a free course.
And while I let all know I will help in anyway I can, I do not get
called on to 'hold' peoples hands as they work their way through
stuff: they are told from first class that results are dependent on
their own effort. I may be able to help them do the work, but they
have to do it.
>I learned this the hard way. I was too giving, not taking back. I
can
> tell by the way my words are being reworded that the basic concept
of this is being
> misunderstood.
That's communication. If you have the intention to communicate,
sometimes you have to stick around and clarify.
>Sigh, this is my last word on the matter. I don't know how to word
things more
> basic than this. Go within with an open mind, notice the
relationships of others and pay attention
> to how one proceeds in life on this point.
>
> with peace and love,
> nick
and to you too
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