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Recieved: 2001/10/03  12:36  
Subject: [K-list] K and what is it to a student. 
From: Noclery
  
On 2001/10/03  12:36, Noclery posted thus to the K-list: --- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy..., a student <arbiterATnospams...> wrote: 
> Greetings 
>  
> I joined to ask you some questions. 
>  
> Am reading "Theories of the chakras: Bridge to higher consciousness"  
by Hiroshi Motoyama. Seems  an eclectic work, combining tantra, the  
chinese meridians and scientific measurements. 
>  
> Although I am working on my evolution I never had reason to consider  
Kundalini. What is it? It also seems one can make progress without  
much thought about the chakras. But maybe I am just being a ignorant.  
Why are these things important? I thought I'd put that question to a  
group that seems to be seriously involved.  
>  
> Motoyama is showing techniques for waking Kundalini, but it seems to  
come uninvited, too. Is Kundalini always related to activities of the  
chakras? 
>  
> Buzz, that's all from the New Bee.
 
Namaste All,
 
I have Motoyama's works as well, and he does mix Indian systems with  
Chinese and then with technology.
 
One must remember we are dealing with the filter of one's own mind and  
interpretation. There is no right and wrong.
 
IMO. K, which I have experienced since I was a boy, that's long time  
ago!!hahaha, is actually the Mahat or universal mind. The energy or  
mind of the Goddess or Saguna Brahman. There is karma and there is  
prana and thats what does it all.
 
Even though energy takes many forms as does prana in the body, it just  
functions of the same one energy.
 
So IMO opinion what K activity is, is the cleansing of the lower and  
inner mind sheaths of the person by the universal mind/energy or  
Mahat. What precipates this can only be karma, acting when it should  
it seems.
 
Depending on how many samskaric/vibrations have to cleansed and how  
many one keeps adding so is the intensity of the activity.
 
This may mean abstaining from meat, alcohol, and injurious thought  
patterns or even picking up other people's patterns etc,
 
So if like a sage one cleans the body, mind, and soul and does  
spiritual practice, one will find the activity slows down to a gentle  
and almost imperceptible level.
 
This was the case with Sarada Devi the consort of Ramakrishna  
Paramahamsa, and even though I am not a sage I found this to be true.
 
My early experiences were of pleasant energy, and dreams; when I went  
on the spiritual path the activity became extreme in manifestation. In  
fact knocking me over from padmaasana. Then as I directed my mind in a  
particular direction it became more stable and channeled.
 
With regard to the Cakras, even in Motoyama's book he mentions  
different numbers, and I have heard anything from 7 to 14 or more if  
you take into account lower patalas. I believe cakras or vortices are  
a necessary part of manifestation; for if energy doesn't move then it  
is only potential, or prakriti. So there really isn't anything but  
cakras on cakras everwhere. It is quite logical for energy to manifest  
with regard to the endocrine glands for cakras and these glands are  
part of the transducing process. Some cakras correspond to different  
planes of the mind and body, or levels of consciousness.
 
 However just manifestation, even at a high cakra level is of no real  
effect unless the awareness has been raised and the intellect  
purified.
 
So it seems like the energy is moving up the spine, but mostly it is  
the 'attention' that is moving, for K is the mind and is always moving  
for it is everything.
 
The more aware of our inner mind and energy sheaths one becomes, the  
more one notices...The best channel of active K is meditation,  
purification or prayer!!...OM Namah Sivaya.......Tony. 
  http://www.kundalini-gateway.org
  
 
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