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Recieved: 2001/09/30 18:31
Subject: Fw: Re: [K-list] Re: Fw: Need Help - Severe Kundalini
From: L. J. Klinsky
On 2001/09/30 18:31, L. J. Klinsky posted thus to the K-list:
----- Original Message -----
From: L. J. Klinsky <ljklinskyATnospamearthlink.net>
To: <murrkisATnospammindspring.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [K-list] Re: Fw: Need Help - Severe Kundalini
> Dear Nina,
>
> Thank you for your wonderful suggestions. Since you probably know
now,
> along with everyone else on this list, that I have been born a k
baby,
> my fears have melted. I LOVE my yoga routine more than anything. I
> love the breathing exercises, the meditation. I love the feelings
that
> come from all of it. I was scared because I didn't know what was
> happening to me was normal and wonderful. I didn't know there were
> others like me, that I was OK. Now that I know I belong somewhere
for
> real, I'm on top of the world. I feel grateful and nothing but love
> and appreciation.
>
> I will certainly try your suggestions below. Thank you so...
>
> Love,
>
> Leslee
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <murrkisATnospammindspring.com>
> To: <ljklinskyATnospamearthlink.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 12:20 PM
> Subject: RE: Re: [K-list] Re: Fw: Need Help - Severe Kundalini
> Leslee, you're welcome to post this message publicly if you wish.
>
> >Hi Nina. Thank you so much for writing me. I started doing yoga for
> kind of a similar reason. In March, I went to physical therapy
because
> I had a couple of bulging disks and sciatica (not from an accident,
> from being a total couch potato and sitting in front of computers a
> zillion hours at a time at work). Anyway, the PT guy gave me a bunch
> of exercises to do at home. After a short while I couldn't figure
out
> why suddenly I was feeling so wonderful, both physically and
> emotionally. So I researched the exercises that were making me feel
> this way. They turned out to be asanas (Child's Pose, Cat Pose,
> various balancing poses, etc.) So I researched yoga, bought a bunch
of
> videos and books, and went to town! At first I was doing about four
> hours a day because it felt so hot... I've been taking beginner's
> lessons at Sivananda (my last class is tomorrow), but my teacher
> thinks I'm nuts. He's never experienced anything when doing
> yoga/meditation/breathing. While I like the full, rounded curriculum
> of Sivananda (diet, meditation, relaxation, positive thinking,
asanas,
> pranyama), I am not finding a teacher who can help me with K.
>
> Leslee, yoga poses are natural formings of the body... you might
think
> of them as super-efficient formings of the body, the formings our
> bodies would take if they weren't overloaded with ill-fitting shoes,
> chairs, tight clothing, the burdens of sitting in front of a
computer
> for many hours at a time, being "tuned-out" of the body, etc.
>
> When a "body" (and by this, I mean the entire "construct") is
> sufficiently open, the yoga poses we learn come naturally. Try this
> exercise:
>
> 1. Sit/Stand/Lie down. Whatever, just get comfortable and get quiet.
> 2. Breathe. Breathe. Breathe.
> 3. Now, what's the first position that springs to your mind? Go
there.
> 4. What's the next position that springs to mind? Go there.
> 5. Repeat as long as you feel the positions "coming" and stop before
> you feel tired.
> 6. Rest and be thankful.
>
> Notice I said "position"... some of the movements that will come to
> mind may be "weird" by "conventional" yoga perspectives. Do them
> anyway. Twist an arm this way, that way, bend in unusual ways if
that
> is what comes. Take whatever cues you can "detect".
>
> This sort of fluid conversation with my body came quite naturally
for
> me for some time. The most outrageous thing about the process for me
> (and don't expect this, necessarily, for yourself... discover your
own
> workings) was that after all the weird bending and twisting, "pure"
> poses began to emerge. Poses that were beyond my conscious awareness
> (but that I later recognized on a wall poster of hundreds of
postures)
> and seemingly, at least to my "thinking" mind, impossible for me to
> "get into".
>
> Think of the ramifications of that in a larger sense. :)
>
> Note: some people "never" experience anything while doing
> yoga/meditation/breathing. I don't know why this is. But I do know
> plenty of people who -do- experience such things while doing
> yoga/meditation/breathing... so rest assured you are not nuts.
>
> Regarding the teacher, perhaps this is not so important. Trust
> yourself. If you need a teacher, the teacher will come. This was my
> experience: I struggled without guidance for several months getting
to
> a point of trusting my own "knowing" before I began to meet people
who
> began to provide a richer, more "teacherly" perspective on things.
> Look around you... you already have numerous "teachers" available to
> you on this list. :)
> >Hmm... I'm wondering if I should do the Iyengar video I have. It's
> all
> restorative poses with bolsters and blankets and stuff. I already
miss
> my routine... Do you think that would be OK? I am SO new to this.
> Since I've only been doing yoga since March, I only know extremely
> limited information.
>
> I have a colleague whose father-doctor used to have patients come to
> him and describe problems they were having: "When I do this, doc,
> it -hurts-!" His reply was, "Well then, don't do that!"
>
> This is actually very good advice in many ways. Learn yourself, know
> yourself, Leslee. What is your answer to your question?
>
> >Just for the heck of it, because you're so knowledgable on the
> subject
> of yoga and K, I am going to tell you what my every-day routine was.
> Maybe that'll tell you something about what's happening to me or
why.
> Here's the routine that I've done every single day until today:
>
> 1. Meditation - 45 minutes
> 2. Corpse Pose - 4 minutes
> 3. Kapalabhati - 3 rounds of 50 breaths
> 4. Analoma Viloma - 10 rounds
> 5. Eye and shoulder exercises in Simple Cross Legged Pose - 5
minutes
> 6. Sun Salutation - 12 or more cycles
> 7. The Dolphin - 12 bounces
> 8. Headstand - as long as tolerable (about a minute now)
> 9. Leg stretches
> 10. Shoulder Stand - 3 minutes
> 11. The Plow - 1 minute
> 12. The Bridge - 1 minute
> 13. The Fish - 3 times for 12 long breaths each
> 14. Sitting Forward Bend - 2:30
> 15. Inclined Plane - 6 breaths
> 16. The Cobra - 3 times for 12 long breaths each
> 17. Child's Pose - as needed because my back sometimes locks up
> 18. Locust Pose - 2 times for 12 short breaths each (new pose!)
> 19. The Bow - 3 times for 12 long breaths each
> 20. Child's Pose - as needed because my back sometimes locks up
> 21. Crescent Moon - 8 breaths
> 22. Spinal Twist - 45 seconds on each side
> 23. The Crow - I can only manage this new pose for 2 times for about
6
> seconds each
> 24. The Tree - 2 times on each side, 12 long breaths each
> 25. Standing Forward Bend - 2:05
> 26. Triangle Pose - as long as tolerable
> 27. Corpse Pose - 7-10 minutes
>
> >The sequence that really gets the energy going, sometimes blasting
> out
> of my head in a big explosion is 10-19. Sometimes I'm in another
world
> altogether, it seems. I get full body orgasm type feelings. I guess
> Nirvana happens, if that's what it's called.
>
> Leslee, if it feels good, by all means have at it. If it doesn't
then
> "don't do that!" :) By the way, the awareness you have of 10-19 is a
> good sign. This is learning...
>
> If the energy is simply too much and you suspect that changing your
> practice would be the route to follow, you might consider one or a
> combination of the following:
>
> 1. Lengthen the time you give yourself to rest. (This can be
> accomplished by resting between poses or at the end.)
> 2. Hold poses not by the clock but by what your body is wanting.
> 3. Rather than doing every pose every day, try rotating the poses
> through the week.
> 4. Shorten the routine, shift some of that time to other activities
> you enjoy and that nourish you. Something aerobic would be good
> (intensity doesn't seem to matter as much as simply doing it..
walking
> is excellent, particularly as it is gentle). Or, if you still want
to
> be involved in movements that delve more directly into how energy
> moves in the body, try Chi Kung (Ki Gung). The benefit of this
system
> of movement is that it concentrates on circulating the energy,
> something that might very much help you moderate the upward
explosions
> of energy you have been describing.
> 5. Go for quality, rather than quantity. Build relationships with
each
> pose. Explore the depth of the pose.
> 6. Did I mention lengthen the time you give yourself to rest? This
is
> so important. While you are resting, you are giving your body space
to
> "digest" all the work it has done. Remain alert if it suits you...
> explore what is going on. However, if you're tired, then by all
means
> fall asleep! :)
>
> > My worldview has done a 360. It's like I'm not the same person,
and
> I'm just beginning... I attribute this totally to
> yoga/meditation/pranyama.
>
> :)
>
> > After you have seen my routine, can you provide any suggestions
that
> might make it work for me? Or should I learn something entirely
> different? I'm not sure of which particular things are causing what
> I'm going through. I'm not all that in touch with my body or
feelings
> yet, though I'm much better than I used to be.
>
> That's a start, Leslee! It doesn't all happen at once... enjoy the
> process. Always something new to discover and relish. :)
>
> > This is what yoga has been doing for me, too. I pray that I don't
> have
> to stop doing it.
>
> You don't have to stop doing it. Learn about it. Learn about your
> body. Find the gentle balance hung between the two.
>
> >Thank you again, helpful lady...
>
> You're quite welcome, dear.
>
> Nina
>
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