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Recieved: 2001/09/28 20:21
Subject: Fw: [K-list] Re: Need Help - Severe Kundalini
From: L. J. Klinsky
On 2001/09/28 20:21, L. J. Klinsky posted thus to the K-list:
I am forwarding this message for further comments per Susan's kind
request. You people are wonderful. Bless you all... and thank you so
much for the help you've given me. I can't believe what I'm learning
in such a short time. :)
> Dear Leslee,
>
> Will you forward this message to the group because if you have
questions
> like this you can be assured there are others on the list who do
too?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: L. J. Klinsky <ljklinskyATnospamearthlink.net>
> To: <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Need Help - Severe Kundalini
> > Dear Susan. Bless you for sharing your thoughts with me. You, like
so
> > many others in this goddess-send of a group, have melted some of
my
> > fears away.
>
> You are welcome.
>
> > I've haven't had any spontaneous movements yet, only spontaneous
> > breathing and strange gutteral grunting sounds. Did the
spontaneous
> > movements scare you? I ask, because some of the things that are
> > happening to me scare me.
>
> Nope...because I received Shaktipat from a western Shaktipat Master
in
> controlled conditions and I saw plenty of this stuff happening
around me.
> Commonly, in the process of receiving Shaktipat, kriyas become
instantaneous
> as the energy moves. There were about 30 other people with me at the
time.
> He is not a guru and has no following although he has his own
website ...:)
> http://www.larryjensen.com/ I also attended a satsangh with Guru
Mayi
> where she also gave Shaktipat to a room of over 500 people. It was
quite
> intense. Nothing says common place like when you see all kinds of
odd
> kriyas in roomful of diverse population. Guru Mayi, Muktananda's
successor,
> has an ashram in South Fallsburg, NY.
>
> http://www.siddhayoga.org/guru/index.html
>
> I am not a guru follower but some find it essential. It is not
essential and
> it can be extremely helpful on the path but following a guru can be
a trap
> like anything else. There are very few gurus out there, if any, who
are as
> enlightened as their followers claim. Some have deep personal
problems and
> are unaware of it. I think it is of utmost importance to find the
guru
> within. :)
>
> For awhile I was a shaktipat junkie, going anywhere I could bask in
the
> Shakti energy. Shakti is no respecter of persons so you will find
Her in all
> kinds of places in all kinds of people with varying morals and
character.
> Just be an aware consumer and don't leave your common sense at the
door
> cause someone is peddling enlightenment technology in spiritual
form.
>
> Here are some terms for you....
>
> SHAKTI:
> Spiritual power; the divine cosmic power that creates and maintains
the
> universe; may be defined as the goddess Shakti.
>
> SHAKTIPAT:
> (lit., descent of grace) Yogic initiation in which the Siddha Guru
> transmits spiritual energy to the aspirant, thereby awakening the
aspirant's
> dormant kundalini shakti. Note: it doesn't have to be yogic. There
are
> people on this list, including me, who have the ability to give
shaktipat.
>
> SATSANG:
> (lit., the company of the Truth) The company of saints and
devotees; a
> gathering of seekers for the purpose of chanting, meditation, and
listening
> to scriptural teachings or readings.
> Note: the kundalini gateway list is a wild and sweet rock and roll
version
> of this ;D
>
> KRIYA:
> A physical, mental, or emotional movement initiated by the awakened
> kundalini. Kriyas purify the body and nervous system, thus allowing
a seeker
> to experience higher states of consciousness.
>
> KUNDALINI:
> (lit., coiled one) The primordial Shakti, or cosmic energy, that
lies
> dormant in a coiled form in the muladhara chakra at the base of the
spine.
> Through the descent of grace (shaktipat), this extremely subtle
force, also
> described as the supreme goddess, is awakened and begins to purify
the
> entire being. As Kundalini travels upward through the central
channel, She
> pierces the various chakras, finally reaching the sahasrara at the
crown of
> the head. There, the individual soul merges into the supreme Self
and
> attains the state of Self-realization. See also CHAKRA, SHAKTIPAT.
>
> You can find more definitions here:
> http://www.siddhayoga.org/glossary/glossary.html
>
> I am not a siddhayoga devotee but they are more contemporary in
their
> methodology and appeal more to the western mind. Western culture has
not
> been as definitive as eastern culture in describing this phenomenon.
>
> > I, too, am veering away from meat lately. And this is odd, given
that
> > I've always been the worst eater on the planet!
>
> I definately needed to be carnivore for a long time. The kundalini
fire
> demanded it. My experience was heavy k activity and
transformational work
> would drive me to rare prime rib quickly for grounding purposes. I
don't
> seem to need that much grounding any more..
>
> > Wow, that must be cool, spontaneous meditations... I'm wondering
if I
> > get something akin to those, too. When I lay in the relaxation
pose in
> > between yoga poses, I notice all my energies and fires, some
pouring
> > through the top of my head. My breathing gets very yogic, and I
space
> > out feeling mostly like I just got laid. Is this a form of
meditation
> > do you think? When this happens I'm in ga ga land somewhere.
Please
> > let me know if my questions are irritating you. Because I am so
> > psyched that I've met smart, enlightened people who know their
shit,
> > I'm like a kid buying sugary answers in a candy store.
>
> Yes... this would happen to me. Sometime my body would go in total
paralysis
> while my mind/self? became global and multidimensional where
everything that
> had happened, is happening, or will happen became simultaneous while
I could
> hear the thoughts of every entity that is just by focusing. My
states of
> Samadhi happen while I am active, not passive.
>
> SAMADHI:
> The state of meditative union with the Absolute; the state of final
> absorption in God.
>
> I will never forget my experiences of the Sahasrara. To me it looked
like
> flowery petals shaped of electron orbitals.
>
> SAHASRARA:
> The thousand-petaled spiritual energy center at the crown of the
head,
> where one experiences the highest states of consciousness.
> > How did you learn that what you were experiencing was K, and not
some
> > awful mental or physical disease or something? My primary care
> > physician and a "specialist" in rheumatology scared the living
shit
> > out of me... Fibromyalgia... Peripheral Neuropathy...
> > Schitzophrenia... It was only this group and some books that gave
me
> > some idea that I might not be insane when they mirrored my exact
> > symptoms. It seems that not too many people understand this kind
of
> > thing, especially doctors and scientists. I guess it was
Syrendipity
> > that I happened to come across the exact video and book I needed
at
> > the exact right time.
>
> It was because my primary experience of awakening K was in a group
> experience. My K started arising before then...I remember the
movements up
> my spine, but nothing dramatic. The Shaktipat experiences helped put
a
> handle and reference on it plus kick starting the process into over
drive. I
> think eventually it will become part of the medical nomenclature but
not
> quickly. It is being studied and classified under the category of
Spiritual
> Emergence and has it's own coding along with other psychological
phenomenon
> in the DSMV...the diagnostic manual for the mental health field.
> > One of my friends said it made him dizzy when he touched me. (I
asked
> > him if he could feel energy coming out of my hands so he held them
for
> > a few seconds.) Have you heard of this?
>
> But of course, very common. :))))
>
> >
> > This one sounds right up my alley, too. I especially like
empowering
> > female books. It's on my list. Can I ask you what Shakti is? Is
that
> > like prana?
>
> See above. Prana and Shakti...depends on who you ask. Shakti is
divine
> intelligence if you ask me what the difference is. Prana can be
controlled.
>
> PRANA:
> The vital life-sustaining force of both the body and the universe.
> > Somebody on this list told me emphatically that I MUST have a guru
> > work me through this process. You don't agree, I take it? I'd
rather
> > not have to see a guru for two reasons: 1) I live in Illinois and
> > cannot afford to travel to goddess-knows-where to pay
> > goddess-knows-what to become enlightened; and 2) Gurus are people,
> > too, not gods like many people think. Somebody had to do it the
"hard
> > way," so why can't I? I really want to know you're thoughts on
this,
> > OK?
>
> See above...Gurus are nice but not essential. You can easily be
mentored by
> the people on this list and educating yourself by what you have
where you
> live. This is pretty oppossitional to the Eastern viewpoint but I am
not
> very submissive....lol...except to God/dess Spirit...which if you
can be too
> I think that will take care of 99% of the process.
>
> >
> > I quit my job as a senior info systems engineer at the end of
June. I
> > could not imagine feeling ANY of this stuff and maintaining my
> > mission-critical position. I'm kind of scared about job prospects
at
> > the moment... Something inside of me (I have no idea what it is)
is
> > telling me I have a mission to accomplish. I don't know what it
is.
> > I've been applying for jobs but I'm scared to take one given the
> > intense experiences I'm having right now. I feel like Carlos
Castanada
> > without the peyote! lol
>
> Many people quit their jobs to look for work that support them in a
> positive way during this process. I have found that when I am in
less
> demanding jobs..the kundalini rising process is more intense. If I
am
> without a job, look out! it can be very intense. I find that
kundalini
> rising in myself has been a reasonable process most of the time.
BTW, have
> you noticed the unfolding of kundalini in my life has not
quit...lol! I
> received Shaktipat in '91. I think the more intense the rising, the
more
> reasonable it is for you to find lesser demanding, more flexible
work.
> > Wow... You've had some neat experiences. Thank you for sharing
them.
> > I'll tell you one thing... my sexual fire has been a bit hot
lately. I
> > mentioned before that I feel like I've gotten laid when I relax
> > between yoga poses. Well, I guess sexual energy can be pretty
powerful
> > stuff <blush>. I find myself feeling that way even when I don't do
> > yoga, lately, when I'm just laying around.
>
> Yes, part of the territory. Cosmic orgasms are wonderful!
>
> > I've got a black thumb, can't grow a darn thing. I can kill seeds!
And
> > bugs scare me <embarrassed shrug>. That's why I'd be afraid to hug
a
> > tree. How about a cat? Can I hug one of those or go for a walk in
> > nature?
>
> Cats love this energy! Animals are good grounders. Walking in nature
is
> excellent. So is just laying on the ground.
> > > Let your body needs guide you at this time. There are reasons
the
> > > energy wants you awake. :)
> >
> > I wish it would tell me what it wants, already. Oh... it just said
> > something... I WANT YOU TO BE PATIENT. No kidding... This is so
> > strange. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.
>
> Hehehe! Yes...this is reality therapy at it's best. You are becoming
the
> person you were meant to be. There are many spiritual midwives on
this list,
> male and female, so you are in a good place.
>
> > So, you've been dealing with K for quite a while. Have you devined
a
> > mission yet? I understand that this is a big part of the
process...
>
> My mission in life is to create more beings like me. What that means
to me
> is birthing more k babies.
>
> >
> > I have it now, too... always. I wish I could ignore it sometimes.
Even
> > a loud fan or air conditioner doesn't calm it down. I am trying to
> > accept it and love it unconditionally. This one will take some
time!
>
> You can ask for it to be turned down. You can talk to Shakti and She
gives
> you an answer.
> > I think that "things" are trying to manifest for me, but I'm so
scared
> > that I tell them to go away. How does one tell if "something" is
good
> > or evil, helpful or destructive? This is what I'm grappling with
right
> > now.
>
> Yes, me too, me too. Free will is paramount in the shaktified
universe.
> There is no good or bad or evil. Sometimes what feels destructive
is
> actually helpful. It is best to ask within...does this serve me?
>
> >
> > > Yes, being scared is OK. Be assured you are in the middle of a
> > > *natural* evolutionary process. The more you give up trying to
> > > control the process the smoother it can be. You are being
reborn.
> > > Natural childbirth can be so much easier and more healthy if one
> > > listen's to the body's wisdom.
> >
> > It's interesting that you say this... I feel like I'm completely
> > dying, that who I am is totally going away and becoming someone
else.
> > Is that why my limbs are so cold sometimes?
>
> Yes, I thought of the dying aspect after I sent you a response. You
are
> dying and becoming alive to a new birth. Kinda like being
reincarnated with
> your memories intact. Who I was prior to Shaktipat and who I am
now....seems
> like a distant past...another person...not me. It is even difficult
to
> comprehend who that Susan was then.
>
> Kundalini energy runs cold and hot. Sometimes my limbs felt
completely
> frozen. I actually had my hands drip with cold sweat. That never
happens
> normally. I have the hottest hands (temperature wise <g>) like
heating pads.
> It just amazed my chiropractor. When my hands drip and are cold as
ice cubes
> it means I am in a different kind of energy. The last time I was in
this
> paralyzing cold was when I met my first manifestation of the goddess
black
> Kali in a spontaneous meditation. Kali is the destroyer.
>
> Sometimes the Shakti energy has a menthol feel and can cool a
room...like an
> icy blue color. Shakti looks icey blue to me.
>
> >
> > Like I said before, most doctors will think I'm stark raving
insane.
> > How can one go to a forced HMO doctor and get an answer to this?
>
> There really is nothing you can do...you are ahead of your time and
on the
> threshold of one of the greatest adventures of your life. My life
has been
> better than any science fiction fantasy. Some of those authors of
visionary
> novels can't write anything better than some of my experiences. You
will
> find the uncommon common place as kundalini ascends in you.
>
> This whole process can be wild, fun, fascinating, deeply moving and
> purposeful. It just depends on how you look at it.
> >
> > Thank you so much for your time.
>
> You are welcome.
>
> Deep peace and grace to you,
> Susan
> >
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