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Recieved: 2001/01/28 01:08
Subject: Re: [K-list] Both Pleasure and Pain are symptoms of Dis-ease
From: v

Christopher Wynter wrote:

> Qutie simply ..
>
> Pain is the body's way of telling a person that what is
> presented in the mirror is the reflection of some past
> holding pattern which is causing "dis-ease"
> to the physical organism ..

Can you say why it is that physical traumas occur in the here & now which
cause pain - again seemlingly in the here & now? I mean - if we are hit by
a truck it causes a LOT of physical pain. Are you saying that even these
random traumas resulting in physical pain are somehow caused by reflections
of past holding patterns? And - if so - why?

> It is a re-mind-er
> of something held in the cellular
> memory of the unconscious mind
> which needs resolution.

I still cannot ken how random violence & the pain thereof comes from
cellular memories. How is it that the random aggressor is involved in the
trauma; is it a shared cellular memory? Are they just random dupes within
our personal cellular memories?

> Similarly,
>
> Pleasure is the body's way of telling a person that some
> unconscious need is being fulfilled ..
>
> it is a reminder also, of something held in the cellular memory
> as a perception of lack .. which also needs resolution.

so - even pleasure is related to a cellular memory - one that perceives
lack? Can you elaborate on this please?

> Both Pleasure and Pain are kinesthetic reactions to the mirror
> of our separation from wholeness ..
>
> On this basis, until the resolution is found, the pendulum will
> always swing between Pleasure and Pain ...
>

SO - are we seeing pain as the opposite pendulum swing of pleasure, from
past cellular memories still?
To what degree do we experience pain and/or pleasure just by what happens
in the *moment* here within our awareness?

>
> and ..
>
> there will always be pain underneath the pleasure
> and pleasure underneath the pain.

is that so?

> It is only the ego-personality-mind-memory stored in the
> cellular memory of the unconscious which responds with
> the symptoms of pleasure or pain

so you are saying that ALL pleasure &/or pain only results from within the
cellular memory of the unconscious?
so does pleasure or pain directly resulting from experiences in the here
&*now*, of neccessity be responding/reacting from ego-personality cellular
memory, & NOT from new responses within the *moment*?
Does this hold true in general, or only sometimes, with some people?

> If one accepts this and is grateful for the mirror, the
> symptoms slowly abate .. and it is possible to move
> through and beyond the experience.

Are you talking about overwhelming experiences in the *now*? How are these
related to cellular memories from the past? What symptoms are caused -
reflecting in what mirror?

> Until then, any work done with the mind is only another
> layer of suppression and repression placed on the
> Kundalini or LifeForce which is your very reason for being.

so - you are saying it is neccesary to comprehend these principles to move
beyond repression/suppression to the reason for being?

> This is the essence of self-real-isation.
>
> It cannot be learned, or thought about ..
> because, when the body finally succumbs
> to all to the mind's repression and "gives up the ghost"
> the disembodied mind very quickly learns that it needs
> a body as its "Life Support System"
>
> in order to change anything.

so - do we *give up* - & having no cellular memories consciously - our
disembodied minds is only perceiving that it needs a physical body to
communicate with?

> and yes,
>
> the emotional body containing pain goes with you
> after you die, carrying all of the imprints .. unless it has
> been cleared from the cellular level up ..
>
> CW

are we talking cell memory DNA from all past lives & experiences the past
9000 years? How can this be - & how do we add onto that with present day
traumas?

:-)
valerie

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