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Recieved: 2000/10/29  12:13  
Subject: [K-list] Illusion, illusion, and illumination 
From: Wim Borsboom
  
On 2000/10/29  12:13, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list: 
Tony:
 
> There is no beginning for it never happened, it is illusion.
 
For one, when we do not get this, we are stuck in the concepts of a 'one 
direction timeline' and something close to 'flatlanders space'. 
Pretty well all of us hazily float about and grope around in a perceived 
world of two spatial and one temporal dimension... all conceived... 
Concepts. 
Tenuous and half hearted agreements.
 
A few posts ago (to the Kundalini Gateway list) I suggested that we imagine 
the 'flat' yin yang symbol as a hyper or at least multi-dimensional object. 
That is of course still conceptual, but our attempt at it may shake us lose 
from our stuckness to prescribed world views and our hampered freedom 
through lack of clarity in them.
 
Here it is: 
"Actually, I saw in one of my experiential visions that time and space are a 
*creation of each other*. They are the cause and effect of each other, there 
is a simultaneity to it, but that simultaneity is not of the same kind as 
our 
present space/time concurrencies. We live in very zoomed out circumstances, 
and the resolution of our existence level is quite coarse. 
Funny experience that is, as time/space create each other, they twirl about, 
not knowing who is what and when. It is very comical. The experience comes 
with great primal laughter and cosmic humor. Way more fun and not as 
agonizingly stupid (I mean this well :-) as the play of a dog trying to 
catch its tail. More something like a very dynamic and multi dimensional 
'yin 
yang' representation. Try imagining the 'yin yang' thing as a spherical 
object, try to also imagine that the two-ness of it is really a one-ness, 
where only one beginnining is depicted but as two ends, the two shades could 
be seen as the two sides of one of those circular ribbons where the inside 
becomes the outside because of a twist in the ribbon before the two ends 
where connected and the circle was closed, (forget the name of the thing at 
the moment), the shape of an ambihelical ring."
 
Ah, I just remember it: Moebius Strip or something or another, oh yes, 
hmm... also the Klein Bottle: 
http://www.cut-the-knot.com/do_you_know/moebius.html 
http://www.cut-the-knot.com/do_you_know/paper_strip.html#klein 
Neat stuff, unreal...!
 
Anyway this is just an attempt to help some of you get there (nowhere 
really:-). 
We may use our mental abilities to imaginatively conceive. This will 
influence our limited use of our senses and finer perceptions and diminish 
our sole reliance on them so that at some point in time (ha!) we may get the 
void/form conundrum sorted out as it is so well clarified by Boddhisattva 
Avalokiteshvara in the Prajna Paramita Hridaya sutra.
 
When we fall in love, losing ourselves in surrender, all conceptuality goes 
the way of the libi-dodo bird. ;-)
 
 Love, Wim
 
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