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Recieved: 2000/10/25  23:52  
Subject: [K-list] Re: Uncertainty or ....... Possibility? 
From: Wim Borsboom
  
On 2000/10/25  23:52, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list: 
Dear Magne,
 
(So glad you are back from lurkdom, what happened?)
 
You wrote:
 
> Heisenberg spoke about teleportation, in a sense: When an electron moves 
> from A to B, it's not a particle which moves, but a WAVE - a disturbance. 
> Imagine a queue of people from New York to LA. You stand as the first 
person 
> in the line, giving the person in front of you a slap on his or her 
shoulders - 
> after which you DISAPPEAR ! This person gives the next one a slap on his 
or her 
> shoulders etc. until this *disturbance* reaches LA. And - abracadabra, You 
> are in LA ! No physical object moves, but a wave, a disturbance. An 
electron 
> can be BOTH a particle and wave-energy.
 
Now, as we as humans are rather complex conglomerates of electrons, and as 
we as humans .... I will pick this line up later...
 
We as humans,...did I not post some time ago a little story about my matter 
consciousness experience? Maybe not...I had the conscious experience of 
being a grain of sand, "I WAS A GRAIN OF SAND", somewhere on a beach in 
California, Long Beach? Oh, that was so neat, to be grain of sand and 
knowing somehow that a wave (a real one, I mean water) was coming and 
getting myself and my sand buddies ready for the rippally tumble... hmmmmm 
surrender... and no objection to it, the way we humans so often resist to go 
with the flow.
 
So, we are humans as well as electronic and energetic conglomerates... and 
the more we go with the flow (sorry for the cliche) and give in willingly to 
the energetic forces around and within us, the more (Heisenberg's?) 
tele-wave-portation becomes (re)discovered by us, re-cognized as reality. 
OK, no BS here, we will NOT move our bodies through some air space yet 
without first having bought a plane seat and pay some airline. We will 
though invent physical teleportation later. I am sure of that: the 
tunnelling effect on the electron level is well researched and proven. 
BS? No, not if you have a broom or are Milarepa, then indeed you can do it. 
Halloween is coming up so I guess I will give it a try. 
Kidding aside, I have been clairvoyant now for a while, and I soul/astral 
travel quite a bit (without and within) and while I do that the 'phase 
state' I am in is exactly like a wavely blobbiness. The extra two elements - 
light and pure consciousness... there is quite a variety along those lines 
suggested by the pundits (this btw, is a fairly recent idea in the aura and 
chakra world) -  the two extra elements which Hindu philosophers and some 
Tibettan lamas attach to the brow and crown chakras are on the right track. 
and my wavely blobbiness fits right in when I project myself outwards and 
inwards hyper-dimensionally. 
This topic of phase states is important. The set of five elements (earth, 
water, fire, air, space) is just one of various oriental versions of phase 
states. The latin word 'quintessence' is a sign that early western nature 
philosophers were also onto something like phase states. They used terms 
like fire, rain, wind and snow if I remember well; quintessence was the 
'fifth essence'. 
Anyway about my blobbiness essence: I do actually partition myself off in my 
auric phase state like a flame going off on its own from a campfire, but 
these parted off blobs of mine can persist whereas flames, well... they just 
go up in flames :-). I pro-generate so to say, soul matter for newborns... 
Man are supposed to do that actually. The mother provides for the matter 
phase state of a new being, the father provides for the spirit phase state. 
No problem here though, if a father does not provide a mother can do it as 
well. (Men are after some point rather superfluous beings:-) If a father 
does not provide for the soul phase than Tibettan lamas tend to step in. (No 
kidding.) This is has been happening in Tibet in some male and female 
monasteries for a long time. One of the mudras (the-flying-up mudra) refers 
to it in the Hatha Yoga Pradipika. 
I also expand and shrink my aura very easily, and it is in fact in my more 
condensed version that I find it easier to pinpoint my direction... but I am 
riding the waves... Powerlines form quite an attraction for me, also those 
wire grids that are used for trolley busses and electric trains and trams. 
By the way, the foods I peruse in those circumstances resembles very much 
the finest deserts. (It is indeed heaven, and the beings I meet are indeed 
most often angeliquely heavenly.)
 
What I mean to say is that the things yogis and rishis (and many K.lites) do 
is nothing else than some proof of some scientific principle just discovered 
over the last 100 years or so in the West.
 
> Oppenheimer: 
> "If we, for example, asks if the position of the electron remains the 
same, 
> we must answer "no"; if we ask if its position changes over time, we must 
> answer "no"; if we asks if it is at a spesific place, we must answer "no"; 
> if we ask if it moves, we must answer "no".
 
*All true*, as there is no question. No need to ask... 
*None of it true* as there is no question, No need to ask... 
No *no* needed as only is is.
 
> The author of Isa-Upanishad wrote: 
> It moves. It doesn't move. 
> It is far away. It is very close. 
> It is within everything. It's outside everything.
 
That is way more true (can we say that?) than the way Openheimer puts it.
 
> So, when mystics experience paradoxes, and we all do when entering the 
> spiritual world, the result is either solving the paradox and experience 
> Enlightment - or becoming instantanious insane.
 
 Ah, the clarity of a paradox
 
> Then we can redefine *uncertainty* as possibility, miracles, creativity. 
Yep 
Lila
 
Love, 
Wim
 
(A bit too much rambling on my side, maybe. But hey, this is no sweat ... 
just surrender.)
 
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