To: K-list 
Recieved: 2000/10/25  10:34  
Subject: Re: [K-list] to wim.... 
From: Wim Borsboom
  
On 2000/10/25  10:34, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list: 
Dear Gizmo,
 
Wim wrote: 
> Show me your face, not the one before your mother was born, that is just 
> Zen.
 
You wrote: 
> = "that is just Zen", you say ? :-(
 
I'm not trying to diminish Zen here, Gizmo. 
Just whacking, shocking some enlightenment / satori myth.
 
Wim wrote: 
> We have all heard the sound of the one clapping hand: 
> It is really a slap in the face!
 
I'm not trying to diminish Zen here, Gizmo. 
Just slapping, shocking some enlightenment / satori myth.
 
You wrote: 
> Form is emptiness, emptiness is form...
 
Form / Emptiness 
Form / Void 
Form / Function 
Function / Essence
 
)the(       void 
(the)       form
 
When the vessel is empty... IS it a VESSEL? 
When the vessel is void... Is THERE a vessel? 
When what??? 
What when???
 
is-ness 
being 
existence 
form 
function
 
in! 
out? 
this! 
there? 
now! 
then? 
here! 
there? 
I! 
s/he? 
yes! 
no?
 
us! 
them?
 
Is the question, "Is there is a question at all?"? 
Is the answer, "Is there is an answer at all!" ?
 
?the?     question 
 !the!       answer
 
Questionability 
Doubt 
Being questioned 
Trust
 
....................... 
Form / emptiness 
Is this not about topology and some higher mathematics? 
The Einstein discussion elsewhere should eventually touch on that *point* as 
well, at some *point*.)
 
 /  The slash symbol (Aha!) 
=  The equation symbol (Aha!)
 
....................... 
It is about avoidance 
It is about relationship
 
We have a head, we show a face, 
We have a body, we show a person 
Etc.
 
Evidence and speculation 
Evidence and conception
 
Is-ing / nis-ing 
Hmm
 
Jesus said: 
I AM BEING BEEN
 
Wim, 
Love
 
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