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Recieved: 2000/09/25 18:22
Subject: Re: [K-list] k awake vs spiritual awake
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent


On 2000/09/25 18:22, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:

At 11:33 AM 9/25/00, divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com wrote:
>Hi Bob,
>
>Nope... I mean being spiritually awake with no apparent k presence.
>
>In fact, that comes up occassionally for discussion on the several
>lists we belong to. A person can be spiritually developed with no k
>influence.

 Well, to follow this thread to the end we would have to define what is
K. and what is not K. some folks say there can be no psychic or spiritual
experiences without K.. that all those effects are the product of Kundalini
as Divine Will unfolding.. "Goddess is All that IS", so nothing is, that is
not K. The broad view..

I used to think that, but I agree there are some folks who have a "top
down" awakening and experience energy movement and psychic phenomena
without the root chakra being opened to make the Serpents rise. They
manipulate the psychic ability to serve their Free Will rather than having
Goddess Kundalini spanking them into surrender.

  It all depends on
>how you describe what Kundalini is, right?

   Yep. What I see, is that a lot of mystery schools and paths focus of
teaching folks to use energy and guidance to attain their free will goals,
and then ease them into the surrender process.. like they need to get burnt
fingers from Free Will to appreciate the value of surrendering to Divine
Will. some things, like Matrial arts teach chi manipulation and intuition,
without a focus on surrendering to Divine Will... but when the chi-prana
has cleared enough Karma, Kundalini awakeneing is inevitable.
 With me, too.. even in High School I had a few "Burnt fingers"
experiences, playing with what I wanted.. curiosity killing the cat. I
consider myself to have been awakened at that point.. but I did not have
enough faith to surrender so it went underground for a while, in years of
Spiritual Winter.

>How about a convergent one? All paths lead to the same place...woof!

Yes, I think so.. some paths may have more detours, and appear to
go in the opposite direction for a while, but some folks may need a
roundabout route to attain fulfillment of their unique, individual needs.
  Some paths, like Wicca are very free will oriented, but the spells
never turn out like one would expect.. and eventually they get around to
realizing that the spell itself is putting energy in the wrong direction.
Like, the only person who would be casting a spell for money or love or
whatever, is someone who does not have the faith that those things will be
provided by Goddess with no action required. So, a spell of attainment is
conversely giving energy to fear. You would not be casting the spell if you
already believed Goddess would provide, without it.. so the underlying
motives of lack of faith create the results. Does that make sense?

>Kewl...just what I was talking about...k midwives, k elders, k
>training school. If k awakening is natural for all humans...lets
>start training humans in it. India has it schools with gurus...we can
>have our training centers.

  Yes, that is my dream, and I am following Goddess' directives to
create just such a place.. :) Beautiful vision. :)
  Blessings!

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