To: K-list 
Recieved: 2000/09/18  04:59  
Subject: Re: [K-list] K and religion poll 
From: llewellyn
  
On 2000/09/18  04:59, llewellyn posted thus to the K-list: 
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> Dear List, 
> 
> Since we are on the subject of religion...:))  I was wondering... 
> 
> What religious visions/associations/symbolisms/patterns/motifs, etc. have 
> been part of your K awakening?
 
Dear Hillary and List,
 
It seems that i need to add  a few words on this topic, since I keep on 
forming responses in my mind.   My K awakening was spontaneous and I did not 
even really know of kundalini before I started searching for answers weeks 
after my wild week of K.  And then only when I was released from the mental 
hospital, that my so called family arranged to have the state force me into.
 
At the time it was the snake symbol.  Not just in dreams but in my 
thoughts I remember saying, 'I am not ready for the snake'.  And on  the 
second day, it was beautiful cold February day and the snow had fallen the 
night before and I was out shoveling snow and saw superimposed on the clear 
blue sky an image of a coiled snake.  Where in the world does this potent 
image and symbology come from.  It is different from a mystic religious 
experience when one might 'see' images from ones religious beliefs.  If I 
had seen a vision of a Christ figure on a cross, would this have been 
acceptable to my family.  It certainly would fit into my frame of reference 
and upbringing.  But,  what is amazing about K is that it appears from 
reading Greenwell that it is relatively common for symbols of K to be 
manifest without any preconditioning in this life.  Mudras and sometimes 
even Sanskrit words can be voiced without any prior knowledge.  This process 
either taps into a universal consciousness or perhaps we resurface memories 
from past lives.   It makes the experience more unquestionable for me.  It 
is clearly not something that I was trained to believe it is not following a 
voice from outside it is listening to what is inside and uncovering 
yourself.   Or is it?
 
For me, this was totally separate from any religious experience.  My 
experience was spiritual and not religious and I make a big distinction.  I 
tended to be religious when young.  I was brought up in a mainstream 
protestant religion.  Actually, my upbringing was fractured.   My mother is 
Mormon and my father Baptist.  I went to the Baptist church with my father; 
but, there was this real palpable tension about religion in the family.  My 
life has seemed to try to synthesize various religious point of views.   I 
married a Jewish girl from my dorm, and we were married by a Catholic priest 
in an outdoor ceremony quoting Gibran.  But that was the 70s.  Later 
religion dropped out of importance in my life.  I turned to an interest in 
what one would say to be new-age type ideas, buying books by Bailey, and 
Cayce but still periodically picking up some books from the Indian 
philosophy classes that I mixed in with engineering in college.  I remember 
writing a paper where I commented that I must absorb parts of the Rg Veda as 
well as engineering to be me.  I am still struggling with this today. 
Trying to stay on the path to become me.  Actually, this path that I am on 
is only in my imagination, for I am not following any well-worn trail, 
traveled by many.
 
It is perhaps no wonder, that when I gave myself more time to explore my 
life, and left indoor work for the farm, 5 plus years ago, that my spirit 
would lead me to K.  I do not know.  It all seems such a mystery.......  I 
became spiritual during those days when K erupted in me, and the remnants of 
religion dropped away.    Religion seems to be imposed from outside.  It is 
a circle of people all reinforcing one another since they can quote the same 
words and go around in circles.  Spirit and K come from within.  It is the 
true self, attempting to rediscover what is behind the layers and layers of 
interpretation and programming placed on meaning in this experiential frame. 
It is a radical self-discovery.   Religion tends to cover-up and create 
blankets of beliefs to crawl under and hide from the truth.  K strips all 
away until you are naked with only life left -  raw and unfettered.  You 
in-corp-orate and reinvent constantly who you are.  To me, K is the 
antithesis of religion.
 
Llewellyn 
Peace and balance
 
 
 
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