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Recieved: 2000/08/17 15:16
Subject: [K-list] Re: K Energy and Meditation : LOL :-)) what a post !
From: Horia
On 2000/08/17 15:16, Horia posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Wim. I am glad that the adversity in these thread finally eroded.
> Dear Horia.
>
> The following was part of a post that I was preparing to
fire off
to
you to
> see if I could somehow *force* you to move into a wider and
more
> comprehensive understanding of the meaning of 'meditation'.
Much of
what I
> write will not be new to you I'm sure, but in the heat of
your
argument you
> were biting too hard on your "bone of contention", showing
a
rather
limited
> view (teeth marks all over) of what meditation in all its
richness
entails.
>
> Sorry about my 'teachy' tone in this post, I cannot help
that, such
is me,
> and if I need to apologize for that I will.
> Anyway the tone of this post is much better than what I
originally
intended
> to post to you...
There is no problem. I will learn from you gladly. :-))
>
> Over the last 1900 years, in the near eastern and the
western
traditions of
> religious and spiritual observances the word 'meditation'
has taken
on many
> different meanings. Nowadays it is generally considered to
be a
*practice*
> to still or empty the mind. One *practices meditation*
usually to
reach a
> state of enlightenment, realization, satori, etc. Currently
we tend
to link
> the word meditation to the mind, but that connection has
not
always
been the
> case. In Christian monastic traditions, starting with the
Desert
Fathers in
> Egypt and later formalized under Benedictine (and Jesuit)
rule, the
intent
> behind meditation was to focus or concentrate one's
attention
(which
is NOT
> the same as mind) on a certain topic, e.g. the Holy Host or
the
suffering of
> Jesus on the cross. (Theresa of Avila used this method when
she
reached her
> frequent states of utmost ecstacy.) The intention of such
focussing
was to
> reach identification, at-one-ment (vereenzelviging in
Dutch)
with
the vision
> or the topic meditated upon. This approach is comparable to
the more
> Buddhist and Hindu tradition of the recitation of a mantra.
The
idea
of
> reciting a mantra during meditation is NOT primarily the
stilling
of
the
> mind (which nevertheless is a bonus result) but again
unification
and
> identification with the contents (often very visual) and
meaning
(often
> pictoresquely symbolical) of a mantra, e.g. "Om Mani Padme
Um." For
> occidentals though, the effectiveness of this approach is
not the
same as
> for orientals, as our western views are culturally not
wholly
congruent with
> oriental views. Reciting a simple syllable mantra (such as
om, aum,
lam,
> vam, etc.) and letting the vibration of the sound itself do
its
work
is
> comparable to focussing one's attention on a specific
colour, such
as is
> currently used in 'chakra balancing meditational
techniques'
as
frequently
> found in contemporary kundalini yoga and aura / chakra
literature.
>
> All the above is about meditative *techniques* or
*practices*.
>
> What is the original meaning of meditation though? Not
meditation
as
a
> practice but as a 'state of being': "S/he is in meditation."
>
> The original word derives from the Latin "meditari", a
transitive
verb and
> therefore quite hard to translate. (That is why we use the
Latin
word ;-)
> The root of the word 'medi', is closely linked to the
Sanskrit
'madya' or
I knew this word from the study of Kashmiri Shivaism, 2-3
yeras ago.
It is true, it means 'middle'. Great exaplanation of the
ethymology
of 'meditation'.
> 'midya'. The English 'middle', 'midst', 'medium', the
German
'mit'
(with)
> originate from the same Sanskrit root. When we see the
word
'meditation' in
> that light then the meaning would be something like "being
been
(transitive
> of to be) in the middle of things", "being centered",
"being
here
now". As
> such it does not have the meaning of "practice" or
"doing",........
it
> simply means "BEING", "I AM".
> To say it differently and to paraphrase some sayings of
Jesus
(especially
> Jesus's answer to Pilate who asked him who he was: "I AM
THE
BEING"
or "I AM
> THAT I AM"), "I am the source and result of myself", "I am
the
alpha
and
> omega", "I am cause and effect". Krishna said similar
things: "I am
the
> beginning and also the end.)
> Meditari simply means: "Being here now." It does not mean:
"Doing
something
> to get there."
>
> To Kundalites the practice of meditation can be extremely
painful,
> physically hurtful and damaging to healing brain cells,
brain cells
healing
> themselves through direct energy "Chi" or "Ki" or "Holy
Spirit"
> reconstruction. The scientific discovery that brain cells
can regrow
> themselves was disclosed about half a year ago (played a
part in the
> development of that discovery). The practice of
meditational
techniques in a
I heard of this discovery even tough I don't remember where.
> kundalini active person can conflict with the natural
reconstruction
of
> brain and nerve cells. Many meditational techniques differ
not much
from the
> usual *allopathic* approaches as applied in certain
(dubious?)
psychiatric
> and psychological counselling practices, treating the
symptoms of
> pshycho-pathology.
> A kundalini active person is slowly but steadily and in a
rather
authentic
> and peculiar way :-) or :-( or ;-) reconstructing
his or
her own
> original being.
I agree. Kundalini is steadily eroding the ego.
By the way, did you experience an increase in the violent
manifestations on Manipura Chackra since you were under the
pressure
of Kundlaini ?
> Such a person needs to be left alone, needs to be
left to
> their own devices, needs to let the chips fall where they
may.
Kundalini's
> *autopathic* (to coin a word) healing process is a kind of
reversed
regrowth
> procedure (can we say retroactive?). Meditational
*techniques*
interfere all
> too often with this *autopathic* and *holopathic* process.
(I have
even seen
> homeopathic treatments with traumatic and hurtful results.)
> A kundalini *accomplished* person has no difficulty "just
being."
Such a
> person, when all is said and done, only meditates - not as
practice
but
> (sine qua non) meditating a realized steady state of being,
in the
sense of
> "Be NowHere, permanently actualized and actualizing,
realized and
> realizing... manifesting divine humanity..."
>
> Love,
> Wim
So, practically you're saying that the person that has K.
active does
not need to practice 'active' meditation because it
interferes
? They
should 'just be', go with the flow...
Respectfully, I don't think I agree with you on this. I saw my
Guru
who has K active in a magistral fashion still meditating. I
would
need
a large space to present him and what he accomplished in
practicing
and teaching yoga. He has many disciples that also have
Kundalini
awakened and they all still meditate and practice many hatha
yoga and
laya yoga techniques in order to get rid faster of the
inpurities in
the subtle bodies.
Anyway I noted your oppinion and I will remember it later.
Maby in
time more material will make it clearer. I agree that
Kundlaini can
be
so rough some times that one would be forced to lay down with
the
mediatations for a period. I agree that prayer always helps.
Prayer
purifies Manomaya Kosha. However, meditation and laya purify
Vijnanamaya Kosha and beatitude obtained in meditation
purifies
Anandamaya Kosha - they go much deeper.
Love.
~~~
Horia.
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