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Recieved: 2000/08/13 16:25
Subject: Re: [K-list] K Energy and Meditation : LOL :-)) what a post !
From: Horia Cristescu
On 2000/08/13 16:25, Horia Cristescu posted thus to the K-list:
First of all : To Jerry. Sorry man, please accept my apologies for the harsh
language, but I still believe what I said.
Meditation can cause problems ONLY if it is done the wrong way. What Jerry
should have said is that for him it was better to stop his meditation
because he was doing it all wrong and it caused him problems. He should not
have produced the idea that meditation was wrong but the way he was doing it
was not the best.
To "J F" who kindly suggests me to "stick my head up my own ass" I must say
that if he was Great Shiva that appeard in a human form and said to me
"Horia, if you would stick your head up your ass you would obtain instant
spiritual liberation, you have my word!" then I would have done it. But
since he is not Shiva then I must respectfully decline his suggestion and
ask him where do they teach him those techniques ?
To "Mystress Angelique Serpent" I must tell that more than 60% of the
posting was in my own words. And if I quoted a few sages, what was the harm
done may I ask ? Don't you agree with them ? Yes, we should post the
personal experiences, but what if they contradict the traditional writings ?
And finally, to the rest of us, I want to say that Kudalini activity is NOT
the stop sign for meditation. Yes, it may be rough some times but we must
study ancient writings about Kundalini and practice meditation to keep it
under control.
Why do you want to scare the beginners ? Let them meditate and don't
insinuate fear into their minds at a moment when they are susceptible to
believe anything that is said in a chat board because of a lack of
experience.
I wander if now I will be kicked out of this channel.
~~~~
Horia.
----- Original Message -----
From: <GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com>
To: <Kundalini-GatewayATnospamegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [K-list] K Energy and Meditation : LOL :-)) what a post !
> In a message dated 8/13/00 9:15:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
horiaATnospamcyclop.net
> writes:
>
> <<
> That is pathetic! How could you start from one thing - borrowing the
notion
> of Kundalini from a long spiritual tradition of India and Yoga - and come
up
> with a completely reversed thing like "meditation is not always good for
> people with Kundalini awakening ..." ?
> >>
>
> What l did was make a statement based upon my personal experience as
well
> as the experiences of others l've known both on and off this list. l
stated
> in a previous post that for many years ( approximately 8 ) meditation
caused
> severe head pain and nausea for me and other serious problems for others
> undergoing k.
> l've had my share of arguments on this
list,
> and l've made statements l've later regretted, but l've never insulted
> anyone by denying his or her own personal experiences with kundalini,
which
> is what you just did in no small way by describing my comments as
pathetic,
> no less. Even with all the list wars l've observed here, l don't recall
> anyone using the word "pathetic" to describe someone's feelings based
> directly on their experiences with k.
>
> l've read works by all of the spiritual masters whom you've taken
the
> trouble to quote. lt is one thing to say in a book that meditation is
> wonderful. lt is quite a different thing to tell someone to meditate when
it
> is obviously increasing that person's suffering. lt is safe to say that
these
> statements are not likely being written with each person who is in an
extreme
> stage of k difficulty in mind.
> lt is also rather arrogant
to
> lecture someone on the benefits of meditation when you don't know the
> background of that person. Prior to my k awakening in 92 l'd been on the
> spiritual path and had been practicing vipassana meditation for many
years,
> including extensive experience in lndia and other asian countries. l was
an
> experienced meditator and had developed very strong concentration, which
is
> what precipitated the k awakening in the first place.
>
> When my headaches began -- about 7 mos after k awakened -- l
> consulted eminent masters in various traditions from all over the world.
As
> is always the case with k, l got a variety of recommendations, but most
told
> me to stop meditating immediately. The Tibetan lamas l spoke to ( which
> included Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, Lama Surya Das and others who are well
> known ) were unanimous in urging me to stop meditating.
>
> l wasn't ready to stop. My meditation practice
> was too important to me -- l couldn't bear the idea of not meditating. And
l
> soon met a swami l loved and who l thought could help and continued
> meditating after receiving his blessing and shaktipat. The results were
> disastrous, leading to a complete collapse of my health, from which l
still
> have not fully recovered 5 yrs later.
> l
> have long looked to the books and sayings of the masters for inspiration,
but
> l think most people who have had a difficult and full spiritual journey,
> whether it involved kundalini or not, have at some time found
themselves
> at a point at which no saying by any spiritual master was the answer for
them
> -- a point at which their experience didn't match any they'd read about in
> any book -- a point beyond which nothing in a book, but only personal
courage
> and grace offered deliverance.
>
> jerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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