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Recieved: 2000/08/03 14:02
Subject: Re: [K-list] Zen and Vajrayana
From: Mrkstavish
On 2000/08/03 14:02, Mrkstavish posted thus to the K-list:
> This is, I guess, a stylistic difference between Vajrayana and Zen.
> Vajrayana revels in the complex iconography and "stuff-ness" of
> existance, while Zen is more concerned with the emptiness behind
> existance. Or am I wrong?
It is important to look at the cultures where each was developed. Zen is
Japanese, and reflects the needs of what was a highly developed, as well as
isolated and extremely violent society. Vajrayana reflects a completely
different 'national' (how about 'group'?) temperment. The 'how' (techniques)
of a system can only be understood in the 'why' (environment) it was needed
to begin with. All systems are not equal, as each has its particular
beginning and end. I have heard many people say that 'zen' (ie. literally,
sitting/meditation) is the beginning and vajrayana is the 'end' (the end
goal, the exit from this form of life) of such practices.
Zen is also focussed on what is self through the stripping away of exteriors;
whereas vajrayana is concerned with discovering self via the identification
with various planes of consciousness, development of powers, and their
ultimate renunciation. Very different practices indeed.
Sincerely,
Mark Stavish
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