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Recieved: 2000/07/03 03:00
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Love the Enemy
From: Robert Weil
On 2000/07/03 03:00, Robert Weil posted thus to the K-list:
At 12:41 AM 7/3/00 -0700, you wrote:
>> From: <YahseyesATnospamaol.com>
>> To: <Kundalini-GatewayATnospamegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 8:56 AM
>> Subject: [K-list] Loving the enemy
>> >
>> > David wrote:
>> >
>> > Love thy enemy.
>> >
>> I am asking, is loving the enemy an answer that works to dispel anger? I
>> have been brought up to accept this without question, but now I am
questioning.
>
>I'm happy for you. : )
Great thread! Thanks for the questions! They often take up my time too.
>> does loving the enemy really create resonance or are there
>> other ways, other purposes?
>
>I suppose it depends on one's perspective.
>
>> do I want to be in resonance with a different
>> wave in the first place? why?
>
>This is not the intention of 'Love thy enemy'.
>In a sense, healing is the practice of 'wave cancellation.'
Yes, that resonates for me. :-) However, wave cancellation requires one to
know the wave form... one has to understand the wave sufficiently to know
how the cancellation can be carried out. In so doing one recognises the
cancellation wave is not "oneself", ("I am going to cancel out that wave"),
but a method that achieves an aim, in this case healing (as defined here).
It may be a thought to consider that the original wave may well be one that
the other person still identifies with. Thus cancelling out the wave may be
seen as cancelling out the other person's sense of identity. And they may
temporarily need that identity to work something out (for instance, that
they are not right just by being "better" than someone else :-))...
It may be important to that person's health at that time to be angry. The
wave itself may be a healing. Just floating this stuff, by the way. And I'm
aware that I'm talking to myself here also... :-)
>
>> Maybe we should just go our own way in the
>> face of anger,
>
>Is it best to go our own way or love's?
Sometimes it may be that doing nothing is best... Maybe any action will
work out somehow...
I often feel the need to assert a sense of self as different to another's.
Perhaps it lies in the choosing to assert that difference, knowing that we
are freer to choose than the person who maintains a more rigid identity? I
don't know, and I keep finding new experiences that demand (it seems) that
I loosen up my ideas on what I believe to be "the right way".
>
>> maybe we are meeting the enemy to work out something
>
>I believe you hit the nail on the head.
>
>> to learn that needs to be "out of resonance" in order to be noticed. I
am not sure
>> I want to be in resonance with an angry something,
>
>Then resonate love. But if you resonate anger you need to ask where does
this resonance
>come from? If someone touches you, where is it felt?
I agree with that. But continuing abuse of my right to differ would become
something that I might distance myself from. Of course in the process of
working through my own issues brought up by the conflict, I might also get
angry and respond unkindly to the other person. So I guess, in learning to
see where my own stuff is and resolve my internal conflicts I'm learning
how to heal the pain and rigidity in the other person. They may also have
something I can learn from...
>
>> or is this wrong thinking? Maybe I need to understand what love means in
this context
>> or is it compassion that is really meant?
>
>Even a murderer is doing the best he can.
>Can you see that? That would require compassion.
Here's (yet another) something that still puzzles me: what about a
situation in which the people in conflict are at such variance that they
cannot read each other's actions and words as the originator intended them?
You know the kind of thing - misunderstandings and wrong attributions to
another's behaviour. My current belief is that it involves the placing of
our abstract values onto their apparent behaviour and making decisions
about it. But I know that we seem to have a need to make decisions in the
world, to navigate through the actions and reactions of those around us, as
our sense of self "sees" our path.
In a situation like that, on what can one base one's understanding, or act
correctly to cancel the wave? After all, we may have got that person wrong
to begin with, in our limited understanding. How far can we become the
person we "see" them to be, in order to learn enough to "cancel the wave"?
>
>But no, don't condone murder. That would be absurd.
>As absurd as condoning the death penalty.
>
Yes, I agree, though case by case, always, in my view.
Taking the long way round :-)
Rob
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