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Recieved: 2000/06/11 23:25
Subject: Re: [K-list] the Divine Beloved (was: stifled )
From: v
On 2000/06/11 23:25, v posted thus to the K-list:
percyval wrote:
>
> in the thread "stifled", i think there has been some misunderstanding about
> what is meant by the "Divine Beloved" within us... it is not an "imaginary"
> lover that some people have... it is what Jungian psychology calls the Anima
> and Animus... everyone (or perhaps almost everyone) has one as part of their
> unconscious... it is normally a part of oneself within the unconscious that
> is of opposite gender of the body (but not always)...
So that - in our hearts & souls we are neither gender, or are we both
genders? Is it a known fact that our anima &/or animus is a subconscious
factor of our opposite biological gender which exists in order or us to
complete our physiological gender?
>
> it normally expresses itself as a deep desire for completion that we seek in
> our ideal mate that we hope to find and/or fantasize about... and it colors
> our perceptions in many of our actual relationships by causing us to project
> this part of ourself on another person... it prevents us from seeing another
> for the person who they truly are instead of as an extension of our own
> needs...
your above statement rings a bell inside - that we tend to project our
needs onto a perceived ideal mate so that the real person is not part of
the equation.
this "deep desire for completion"; does that exist beyond the quest for
lustful & sexual satisfaction? Is it sexual, or is it a mode for
survival - that is - a sharing of real life chores & resources in order
to maintain the "survival of the fittest"?
(so many questions!)
>
> in a Divine Marriage with our own Anima or Animus, we merge the maleness and
> femaleness within ourself... as Melissa Toast has pointed out, this creates
> a greater conscious sense of wholeness.. we become less needy whether we are
> in a relationship or not in one... developing a relationship with the Divine
> Beloved is a technique for merging these parts of ourself... it is not
> making up a fantasy lover to satisfy our needs...
I want to grasp this concept in it's wholeness - what it means to
Buddhists, Hindus, Moslems, & as related to kundalini. But the only
thing I have to compare it to is the "catholic" nuns version. That, in
becoming a nun, one becomes the "bride of Christ" & somehow completed
spiritually in this process.
The reason I want to branch out with this concept to other philosophies
is because I cannot *relate* to this catholic process either! Being
raised in Catholic schools, I have seen too much hypocrisy to embrace
their deep philosophical beliefs as being valid, at least without more
universal support.
>
> Valerie, i wish i knew how to teach you to begin on this inner quest... i do
> not... but at this point, all i can hope to do is to clarify what we are
> speaking about...
<snip>
Yes, & I thank you for that, percyval. The study of male/female
relations & sexuality are areas that I remain deficient in. I just keep
thinking that being honest & creative & funny should be enough, &
obviously I am wrong. To me, it seems like these issues are built upon
pretense & artifice & superficial values. I wish I could feel otherwise.
:-) valerie
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