To: K-list 
Recieved: 2000/06/04  14:01  
Subject: [K-list] Occult Fire Without Water 
From: Paul Perner
  
On 2000/06/04  14:01, Paul Perner posted thus to the K-list: 
 
percyval wrote:
 
> hello Mia, 
> 
> i have been enjoying your posts very much... my reaction to Mark's ritual 
> felt somewhat similar (but to a lesser degree)... and it did not interest 
> me, as i don't relate much to this type of esoterica... 
>
 
Paul here, I don't relate much to the old, heavy book esoterica either. I've 
decided not to participate for a number of reasons. 
 This morning, my spouse who recently dropped out of such a group 
("lodge"..."order") explained it to me this way: In the old schools, the female 
archetype is static, inactive. It's just used as a means to get from one place 
to another and ultimately empower the "will," which more often than not, was a 
patriarchal agenda. 
 In our community the Goddess is active (to say the least) and for me, that 
spells freedom, life, creativity, spontaneity... the good stuff.
 
> however, i am curious about your reaction to it feeling "male", and why this 
> creates such discomfort for you...  you may be aware that their is a male 
> side within yourself... it can be blissful and healing to feel love for (and 
> loved by) your own maleness... i hope you can find your way to this 
> manifestation of self-love... 
> 
>
 
Paul again, I think Mia spoke very clearly in her response to the above and I 
share her feelings. On a ritual level, it has nothing to do with insecurity and 
something we haven't gotten in touch with. The male warrior and love aspects 
have been lived and celebrated by a lot of folks on this list. But in old school 
esoteria, like Thelema, Goetia and some Cabalistic practice, a creepy vibe seeps 
out. It's like uncontrolled male fire (not K). Rage... I dare say, "demonic 
possession." In this area, little Hitlers and Mansons can pop out. 
 I feel creepy just thinking about it. 
 El, I need your hungry dinosaurs to come and bite their little heads off.
 
Thank you.   I feel better now.
 
It's Sunday, the weather's great and I'll go out and get into some serious 
bicycle riding and clould watching ... look out for that fence! ... BONK. 
ouch.
 
See you all again soon.
 
Paul
 
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