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Subject: Re: [K-list] the age question.(poolhcus enoebotg)
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2000/05/14 12:58, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 10:27 AM 5/14/00 +0200, Ben Holland wrote:
>I wanted to tell you my age so that you all would
>know how old I am because it is question that would be asked sooner
>or later like the other questions that get sooner or later. I wanted to
>avoid a LOOP. Mind control, call it will you will.
>(niogehtsi)
>That is all I have to say.
>
>Ben.("ecruoseh)
I thought it was odd at first that folks were poking you about telling
your age, but they are right .. it's an unusual topic this cyberspace
neighborhood.
I hadn't thought about it much before, but I realized that's just not a
question that comes up. The K-list doesn't seem to be too concerned about
that variety of mind control.
We are more concerned about the entities and the reptiles. LOL!!! Just
kidding..
Just out of curiosity, I did a search of the K-list archives on the age
question "how old are you?" and it only came up 4 times.. in nearly 4
years.. and always as a rhetorical question with no expectation of an
answer from anyone on the list.
I found the results intriguing, actually.. an interestng loop.. so I
thought I'd share them.
The first is a thoughtful post from Peg from 1997.. the Age question
comes up in the context of a tape of a hypnotic past life regression
session. It's being asked of a young girl who has been dead a few
centuries. The age of the body the spirit lived in at that time and place.
Her post was very beautiful so I've left it mostly unsnipped.. I
snipped my response to it, but as you can see I was very bad at snipping in
1997!
>Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:08:27
>To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
>Subject: Re: Reincarnation
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> Hello, Peg:
> This is so incredibly beautiful.. I had goosebumps and energy surges
>galore reading it.. Wow!. Funny, when we come to compare experiences.. It
>was my presumption that K. wakes up past life memories is most everybody
> To resonant hings from your post.. has it occured to you that the
>shepherd was awakened? So this is not your first awakened lifetime.
>
>At 02:38 16/07/97 -0400, PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com wrote:
>>One of the subjects that has surprised me by not being on the postings much
>>is reincarnation. There are only occasional allusions to reincarnation, as
>>though it is automatically assumed to be an inherent part of the kundalini
>>experience. As I try to comprehend it, I keep stumbling over the same
mental
>>roadblocks. Like, how can various lives be sequential in a belief system
>>which says that all time is ultimately simultaneous? Is it because both
time
>>and our perceptions of each life are both illusory or only mental
constructs?
>> This is where I start to lose it all. And, if we have over 5 billion human
>>souls currently on Earth, where do these growing numbers come from? By
>>splitting or multiplying? By imports from other solar systems? By upgrades
>>from animals? (If so, we think our German short hair is a prime candidate
>>for reincarnation as a human when she dies, so we tell her to enjoy licking
>>herself while she can.) But kidding aside, the whole idea of reincarnation
>>is so appealing, especially when you see people suffering and assuage your
>>guilt by telling yourself they chose this path for a purpose.
>>
>>I had never felt any connection to a past life until after the kundalini
>>episodes had begun and I saw a movie preview that immediately caused a
strong
>>kundalini reaction. The vibrations started at my feet and shot up through
>>the top of my head as I was sitting in the movie theater. The preview
was of
>>a movie that is scheduled to open in October called "Seven Years in Tibet."
>> I believe it is about the expulsion of the Dalai Lama from Tibet by the
>>Communists. Every time I recall the scenes in the Tibetan monastery, the
>>kundalini bubblies return, even as they do now. As I talked about this
to my
>>kundalini yoga instructor, not only did the vibrations begin in me, but they
>>began in her as well. She said it was probably because of past life
>>experiences in Tibet. So then I got on-line and started reading about the
>>bardo stages in The Tibetan Book of the Dead, which sounded so much the like
>>kundalini episodes.
>>
>>Maybe there is no need to pursue this, except to satisfy the same curiosity
>>led me in March to a hypnotherapist who works with past life regressions.
>> She was the one who first explained kundalini to me and directed me to this
>>list. She is co-author of a book called "The Messengers" in which an
>>acquaintance of mine recalled his past life as the Apostle Paul. (Yes, I
>>know there are other people who think they were the Apostle Paul as well.)
>> Anyway, my own session yielded two very non-famous lives, during which
there
>>were many tears. As I "re-lived" the moments of death for each life, the
>>sensations were euphoric, beyond my ability to describe (even though in
one I
>>was a toothless beggar being dumped into a dirt grave). Although the
session
>>certainly did not "prove" reincarnation and the "lives" were suspiciously
>>archetypal., I found it to be a wonderful learning experience about my own
>>beliefs.
>>
>>The following is the transcript of my session, if anyone would like to read
>>it just for fun. Before the session, I told the hypnotherapist that I often
>>have a sense of a companion being with me when I dream, that I wondered
why I
>>have so many coincidences with the number 22, and that I had been having
>>startling episodes with vibrations, lights, and sounds at 1:00 in the
>>morning. The tape begins after the induction…
>>
>>J: So we´re now asking your high self to select a time and a place to visit
>>today, maybe more than one. We´ve stimulated a great deal as we´ve talked.
>> So we´ll ask higher self to focus on to what most wants attention today.
>> What catches your attention?
>>P: A carousel.
>>J: Interesting. Is it moving right now?
>>P: Yes.
>>J: Does that mean anything to you?
>>P: No.
>>J: Can you hear it?
>>P: No. I can just see it moving.
>>J: Where are you in relation to the carousel?
>>P: Just beside it.
>>J: Are you in a body? … Look down. Look at your feet. Look at your
>>hands. What kind of clothing are you wearing?
>>P: A long velvet dress.
>>J: What else are you noticing?
>>P: Long golden hair. Crinkled
>>J: And what are you doing here today? Are you alone or with others?
>>P: There is a man, large, dark hair, beard.
>>J: And what is his relationship to you?
>>P: He´s my father.
>>J: And how old are you?
>>P: I´m a teenager.
>>J: Is someone you know riding the carousel? Are you going to ride it,
or is
>>this just something you´re looking at?
>>P: We´re just watching.
>>J: And how do you feel about your father? What kind of man is he?
>>P: He´s a good man, kind.
<...>
>>J: Please move forward in your later life until just a few moments before
>>your death. And what do you see?
>>P: The children have come. They´re grown.
>>J: And what do they call you?
>>P: They call me Mother.
>>J: You have earned that. Now be aware of your thoughts and feelings as you
>>slip from that body. Your work is complete. As you are above that body
>>looking down, what do you see?
>>P: My husband is sitting by the bed. His head is on my pillow. He´s
>>holding my hands. He will miss me.<...>
>>J: Your journey… (inaudible)…ends. So as you look back over this lifetime,
>>can you feel the impact on your present life as Peggy?
>>P: Child abuse hurts me.
>>J: It still does.
>>P: My children don´t need me.
>>J: Your present life children?
>>P: Yes. They have gone to their father.
>>J: I suspect they´ll be back.
>>P: I didn´t challenge them. I made it too easy for them. I cared so much
>>they couldn´t grow.
>>J: Oh, I understand more now what Angeline was saying. If you have a
mother
>>who makes it too easy, it´s a problem.
>>P: They knew they had to be challenged and leave.
>>J: Good for them. Do you have two children? Were either of them in your
>>life as Angeline?
>>P: Maybe Dei was the little boy who came to teach me.
>>J: To teach you balance? Well, we just visited a lifetime that was
spent in
>>total service to children. And that was not exactly a life of balance. It
>>sounds like a rich and fulfilling life, but one very singularly dedicated.
>> Let´s see what else is in your memory banks here. Lets leave Angeline for
>>now and circle back to the bottom of the stairs to the tunnel. You will
>>easily move forward through the tunnel, and let´s see what else there is for
>>us to discover today. 3,2,1 and back out. And where do you find yourself
>>this time?
>>P: In the countryside with fields. There are sheep.
>>J: Who are you?
>>P: The shepherd.
>>J: Are you a boy or a girl?
>>P: I´m a man.
>>J: And what kind of a day is it today?
>>P: It´s beautiful.
>>J: Do you like this life?
>>P: Yes. I like the quiet.
>>J: Do you tend your own sheep or someone else´s.
>>P: It´s my flock.
>>J: Now scan behind you and see if there is a family at home. Are there
>>people you take care of?
>>P: There is my wife and my children.
>>J: Throw this up to your higher self now and tell me what part of the world
>>you are in.
>>P: I´m in the East.
>>J: East of the planet or East of the United States?
>>P: Near the Mediterranean.
>>J: And the year? Translated into our time, what are the numbers?
>>P: 32 B.C.
>>J: Interesting.
>>P: My son is crying. He doesn´t want the sheep to be sacrificed. He
>>thought they were his pets.
>>J: You sacrificed sheep? For what reason?
>>P: It´s always been done. It keeps the religious people happy.
>>J: Is this a religious expression?
>>P: Yes, to Nature.
>>J: So he´s crying because he´s attached to the sheep.
>>P: He doesn´t want them to be burned.
>>J: Do you do it anyway?
>>P: Yes.
>>J: Because you have to?
>>P: Or the others would be upset.
>>J: The other people in your village?
>>P: Yes.
>>J: Let´s move forward to the next significant event. 3,2,1.
>>P: The men are fighting with others, and I have to go fight with them.
>>J: How are you being enlisted?
>>P: The men come and make me leave the fields. I can´t fight. There is no
>>reason.
>>J: It doesn´t make sense to you?
>>P: How can they hurt each other if they say they are religious?
>>J: What are they doing?
>>P: They are fighting with each other using big sticks. Rocks.
>>J: Go on. What happens next?
>>P: The men won´t stop fighting. I watch. I can´t strike. I am struck. I
>>can´t move. I am injured. I bleed.
>>J: This is tough. Someone who doesn´t believe in striking.
>>P: They are the same as me.
>>J: So you withstand and are struck.
>>P: It doesn´t matter.
>>J: What do you mean?
>>P: It doesn´t matter. I am strong enough. It´s only pain. They can kill
>>me. They hurt themselves.
>>J: Do you recover from your wound?
>>P: Yes. I live.
>>J: How goes the war?
>>P: I don´t really care. I am not a part of it.
>>J: You don´t have to go back?
>>P: No, I am injured.
>>J: How does your wife feel about this?
>>P: She doesn´t have an opinion. She doesn´t think very much. She tends
the
>>children. She keeps the home.
>>J: She sounds like a simple woman. Is there anyone you talk things over
>>with?
>>P: I have the hillsides. I have the stars. Nature surrounds me. I´m not
>>alone.
>>J: Scan forward in that lifetime now. Is there anything else that you wish
>>to recall?
>>P: The camel caravan comes. I trade sheep for fabric for my wife. She
>>likes the bright cloth.
>>J: Where did it come from?
>>P: India.
>>J: Oh, it traveled the Silk Road.
>>P: She is childish. She worries over a piece of cloth that has no beauty
>>compared to the stars. She forgets to look.
>>J: If you don´t look, you can´t see.
>>P: She is missing so much.
>>J: It´s okay. Her spirit, do you know her spirit?
>>P: Maybe she´s Joyce.
>>J: Does something sound familiar?
>>P: She´s a good woman with very small needs.
>>J: Easily pleased.
>>P: She doesn´t seem to care that there is so much there. (inaudible)
>>J: It´s hard to believe, isn´t it? But you can see it and feel it.
>>P: (Inaudible)
>>J: You strike me as very spiritual. Some call this god. Do you?
>>P: It is All.
>>J: You call it the "All."
>>P: Nature.
>>J: Please move forward now as you slip into old age, if you survive into
old
>>age.
>>P: I am alone in the streets.
>>J: What happened to you?
>>P: My flock was taken. I am crouching with a begging cup. I have lost my
>>teeth. No one knows me. I have to depend on kindness from others.
>>J: Was your flock taken by the same men who attacked you?
>>P: It was different men. Stronger men who could see I am now weak.
>>J: No sons or daughters to take care of you?
>>P: No, they´re gone now. People walk by me. The children stop because I
>>crouch down to their level. I tease them. No one knows me now. It
doesn´t
>>matter. The stars are still there. My eyes have become cloudy, but the
>>stars are always in my mind.
>>J: You seem to have no fear of death.
>>P: There is nothing to fear.
>>J: Please move forward to your death now, if you haven´t already.
>>P: No one knows me. I am put in a dirt grave. I am where I belong.
>>J: What do you mean?
>>P: Now I can go back to the earth. (Inaudible)
>>J: Yes, that´s the way it works.
>>P: (Inaudible)
>>J: Now I get the connection with children.
>>P: (Inaudible)
>>J: So are there any little ones who stick out in your mind?
>>P: Maybe one of them was Dei, before she changed, before she started
>>worrying about things.
>>J: She´ll be back. You don´t forget those things. Please move forward now
>>to the transition, the end of that life.
>>P: (Inaudible)
>>J: You sound unafraid of death. You understand the cycle. As you separate
>>now from his body, as you follow along in spirit to that place where you
meet
>>with your own council, the highest aspect of yourself, those you have chosen
>>to help you. Let me know when you are there. What do you notice?
>>P: It was selfish for me to isolate myself and enjoy my solitude. The
other
>>men needed help to understand. I didn´t help them.
>>J: Are you saying you would have made a different choice?
>>P: I should have ministered to them.
>>J: Any regrets?
>>P: I kept the joy to myself. The men had been hurt when they were young.
>> That´s why they fought.
>>J: Did you make any promises as a result of this insight?
>>P: I need to help them when they are children. Before the damage is
done to
>>them.
>>J: Is that why you were reborn as Angeline?
>>P: They need to have loving relationships when they are young so they will
>>be kind when they are grown. (Inaudible)
>>J: Now while you are in council, be aware that your companion is here.
What
>>would she like you to know?
>>P: That I can be a child. Thank you.
>>J: That you can be a child. Is that good news?
>>P: Yes.
>>J: That you don´t always have to be the wise parent, the teacher. Is there
>>anything else you would like to ask her?
>>P: My destination.
>>J: And what does she show you?
>>P: Her energy is in me.
>>J: Ask her if it is her coming to you at 1:OO in the morning.
>>P: No, it´s not.
>>J: Ask if it´s kundalini energy. Is the divine spark waking up in you?
>>P: Yes.
>>J: That´s what I thought. Keep breathing. Exhale and open up. Are you
all
>>right? You can direct it somewhat. Imagine it coming up through your
spine.
>> Direct it more to the center of your body. Moving out through the top of
>>your head. Running from the base of your spine to the top of your head.
>> Feeling the pulses. Good. It´s a little bit smoother that way. Would
she
>>like to say anything to you about 22?
>>P: It´s a marker.
>>J: To remind you?
>>P: It´s an easy marker to keep me on the path.
>>J: Cool. So we thank Angeline, we thank the shepherd, thank the companion,
>>thank yourself for permission to be a child, in a better state to learn.
>> Imagine yourself coming back through the tunnel to the bottom of the
stairs,
>>the sacred fire still running up your spine, coming out of one level, two
>>levels, back into present time and place. I will count you out……
>>
>>I´ll speak so that it´s on the tape, because you´re still in an altered
>>state. Kundalini is the ancient Sanskrit word that means divine spark, the
>>mother energy, the creative force, or life force. When it first comes into
>>the body and animates us, it goes in a figure 8 a couple of times and then
>>settles in the back of the spine, dormant for most people. But for more and
>>more people, the kundalini is reactivated. It´s moving through the chakras,
>>lighting up everything and opening up. Sometimes it´s very quiet,
especially
>>if you´ve done your work, and it runs through the chakras like a nice
stream.
>> Sometimes it roars like a river. Sometimes it feels out of control.
>> Sometimes it can feel like you´ve just put your finger in a light socket.
>> I´ve experienced it myself, and I know the feelings of it. That´s why I
>>recognized it. Sometimes women in their late forties or early fifties
>>mistake it for menopause. There´s a big difference. I´ll write down a
book
>>that you can read that explains kundalini. There´s even a kundalini
research
>>network so you can log in and start talking to people about kundalini. Once
>>it starts, it runs its course. It is not something that starts and stops,
>>and it is not something that you can stop. Once it starts, it goes, and
>>it´s a good thing. It seems to run its course on a very individual basis.
>> The stories I hear are quite different, although there are similarities.
>> The one thing that everyone´s kundalini experience has in common is that it
>>is only a beginning, and you´ve chosen it. You´ve decided to wake up. Not
>>just a little awake… the big awake. So, welcome. If you have problems with
>>it or feel overwhelmed by it, call me. There are things we can do to slow
>>and manage it, although we can´t stop it. Sometimes you´ll find yourself
>>making changes in your diet. I started working out because I had so much
>>energy. I had to start running for the first time in my life at age 50. My
>>food cravings changed. I had been a vegetarian and started craving meat. I
>>kept hearing ringing in my ears. And the cravings can change. So if you´re
>>tuned in, you know what you need for the day.
>>P: So, it wasn´t a stroke then?
>>J: Nope, it´s a life enhancing thing. (End of tape)
...........................................................
Larry popped the age question rhetorically to Kirsten the ski-racer
because he was concerned for her health..
>>>Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 22:48:45 -0300
>From: "Larry Schmitz" <taniaATnospamcentroin.com.br>
>To: "WHYASK" <WHYASKATnospamaol.com>, <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
>Subject: Re: Ego and K
>Kristin,
>How old are you? The symptoms you are describing are very much those
which >my daigjter wemt through about a year ago....<....> My daughter is 26.
>
>health, happiness & love,
>
>larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The notorious Paul West apparently asked it of himself in 1998, when he
was raving.. this post has been generously edited.. very generously..
>
>Date: 14 Aug 98 05:28:15 +0000
>From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
>To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>Subject: !!!!
>
>I am having a transcendental experience RIGHT NOW!!! Haha, I can't
>stop laughing my sides will split!
>
>I haven't even been born! hahahahhaaaha. That's so funny!
>It's just so silly. I haven't even really been born! Can you imagine!
>I have no identity. I am nothing. And here I am 23 years old and I
>haven't even been born yet! :-))) hwheehhehehe...
>
>Sorry, just had to share this moment of madness. Can you believe it's
>so fucking simple! It's all a trick of memory. No memory, no birth,
>just nothing. :) 23 years gone and I haven't even begun! hhehe he
>heh.aaha haahahah ahahahhahaaaa.
>
>Gotta go now. As I have been born I obviously need to go to sleep.
>ahaha ahah ahaaahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>
>sorry, can't stop. Just keeps going and going, eruptions of laugher
>and smiling. Can you bloody imagine! None of it matters. It's all
>totally finished! It's all gunna dissapear. Every single memory I ever
>had just totally erased! Comes and goes. No dependency. Absolute zero.
>A totally new fresh start. Hello. My name is Paul. How old are you?
>ahaahahahaaaahahahahaah ehe hehehehehehehe. :-))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>....
I gave up telling my age altogether when I was about 23... I just got
tired of people treating me diffeently when they found out I was younger
than they thought. Got tired of being stuffed in a pigeonhole, and feeling
like a victim so I decided not to be one. That worked so well I took the
next step and decided I did not need to know my age either, and forgot
about it altogether. Now I can morph a triple Goddess. Maiden, woman,
crone in 3 minutes or less. I think I'll videotape it.
I already videotaped myself morphing into a man by shifting my
energy/consciousness, in a spontaneous demonstration of androgyne.. that
was fun. I did not know if it would work on video but it came out
surprisingly well.
Oy, now I'm babbling.. Paul is contagious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Lou popped the question to the universe inside Janpa..
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>Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:12:06 EST
>To: j_tsomoATnospamHOTMAIL.COM, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>
>Subject: Re: paths & stuff
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>In a message dated 12/27/98 7:03:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com writes:
>
><< ts so important to check these things out. I've only studied for maybe
>4. so like, i am not a teacher, i have a lot of opinions, >>
>
>How old are you? Thats how long you of your present body has been studying.
>The spirit forever, just waiting for you to realize it and catch up. You are
>a teacher to yourself. A teacher doesn't impart knowledge, a teacher holds
>your hand so you can see the knowledge you already know. I think, maybe.
>Love Lou
At 10:27 AM 5/14/00 +0200, Ben Holland wrote:
>As for the other questions that have come my way.
>
>Go ask your source for the answers to those phenomena! (terauoytub")
LOL!! (tebuoyob)
This one, is from Harsha's list.. :) Net Humor. (poolecin)
>Before we recess, let's listen to one last exchange involving a child:
>Q. And lastly, Gary, all your responses must be oral. O.K.? What school
do you go to?
>A. Oral.
>Q. How old are you?
>A. Oral.
>
Blessings..
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