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Recieved: 2000/05/08 21:16
Subject: Re: [K-list] Entity Clearing
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent

On 2000/05/08 21:16, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:

At 09:02 PM 5/8/00 -0400, ckressATnospamaol.com wrote:
>Angelique wrote:
><< Nice soapbox, El, why are you aiming it at me? >>
>Duh, cause you brought it up.
 Ah so. I shared of my personal experiences, but you are quoting people
you probably have never met to back up your soapbox opinions. Not quite the
same thing, eh? Do you have any personal experiences to share?

>I'll respond to that with the words of a Native American elder, Janet
>McCloud: "We had no place to practice freedom of religion. No place where
>could build a fireplace and sweat lodges and worship the Creator in the way
>that we felt we needed to connect with Him.
 Dunno about the US, but in Canada the Sweat Lodges are even being done
in the prisons.. they have freedom of religion, otherwise there would not
have been a Native ritual for me to attend.
Folks in the Soviet Union lost freedom of Religion, so did the Witches.
So have the Christians, a few times, so have other pagans.
   Witches really don't have freedom of religion, in some ways. We are
presecuted by christians who insist we are satanists. My good friend had
his Pagan bookstore store burned to the ground, one list member had his
home burnt because the nighbors freaked out about their black robes.

>Angelique wrote:
>Yep, we humans have been going at each other for eons. Wonder who the Celts
>knocked off to get such bad karma that they had to be annihilated by the
  And by the Romans.. and by the Christians.. I dunno, you seem to
know more about it than I do, so you tell me.

>Are you against gambling and Casinos for everyone,
   Obviously, yes.

>or just for poor Native
>Americans who need to be protected from themselves? (Some Native elders
>agree with you on this point.)
  No shit. Imagine, Native elders agreeing with a silly white grrrrrl
like me. What next..?

>Angelique wrote:
>Ok, if this is what happened with this ONE family, I can accept that there
>might be a few slow-on-the-uptake fundamentalist Native ancestors causing
>some havoc. But to go from there to "ancestor worship is an major influence
>in the statistics of native suicide rates, worldwide" seems a bit of a leap.
Some of my ancestors were german peasants who fled conscription for
WW1. Had an hour's warning that the soldiers were coming, ran away from
home forever with only a loaf of bread and a bag of spuds. Lost home,
family, went to a foreign country where they could speak their language,
but had no-one to speak it to. Yet, they adapted. There was no alcoholism,
no suicides. The ones they left behind, many of them ended up getting sent
to Siberia by Stalin... they had their freedom of religion taken away, by
communism, and all of their other freedoms. They ended up in work camps.
 The Natives do not have a monopoly on suffering and displacement, but
they do have higher suicide stats than holocaust survivors, than Tibetans
who had their way of life destroyed by the Chinese. Why is that?

>Quetzacoatl told me that an astral shapeshifter named Rinty has been
>impersonating Chacmool and offering his sacred icons to unsuspecting
>Westerners. At present, Rinty has directed 484 neo-priests/priestesses (270
>of whom live in northern California) to acquire Chac's idol to enshrine in
>their mansions or apartments or whatever.
  Yer funny..

>Where did you get those statistics?
 From books on Shamanism. From my own personal experience. I nearly
died, after Chacmool claimed me. I was feverish and mostly unconscious
for a few weeks. I surrendered, so I lived. My slave foxx nearly died,
after the Naga Serpent claimed her... Shamanic sickness kills.

> Speaking of which, have you seen the
>statistics reporting the tragic fate of 2 out of 3 non-natives who oust
>legions of indigenous ancestors? I don't want to scare you, but let's just
>say their tragic fate makes Hades seem like a nice vacation spot...
   Hades doesn't scare me, I married him..

>I asked myself, and the answer I came up with was "lapis labia," which isn't
>a number but did shock me.
  Ah so.. must be a reference to female castration.. Shocking stuff..

>I don't know what's up with those lazy natives who lack the chutzpa to stand
>up to government militia and chase off $$$-oozing tourists who
>disrespectfully schlep all over their sacred sites.
 I dunno either, but I posed the idea to a Celt pagan priest friend who
told me that he had Shaman friends in Mexico would would probably support
me in my plans..

>And I know I'll be repainting the ceiling of the Sistine chapel in the
>-- probably with a Pleides/Celestine prophesy sort of motif -- cause Rinty
>told me so. I think I am crazy about this idea and several others I'm not
>liberty to disclose. Wotan made me swear to keep it secret.
 Sure. I'll sue the Pope and then we'll have a budget for it.

>White devils make people do some weird shit. Have you ever seen Jerry
>Springer or just about any American daytime TV talk show?
  Yep, watched some of it today.. the theme was 13 year old girls who
have tried to kill their Moms.

> Have you ever
>worked in an office or environment where there were other people around?
>HUMAN politics are horrible; the natives have no monopoly on the
>repression/blame game.
 Nope, they don't. What they do have is post traumatic stress disorder,
which makes them rather reactive and hard to deal with. I oughta know, I
have some of it myself, and obviously you are finding me very hard to deal

>Angelique wrote:
><< Charity is not the answer, charity creates victims and dependance. Some
>the stuff you quoted, below, is typical victim whining.>>
>By charity, do you mean giving someone money or food or housing?
 Yes, if it creates dependence that becomes an addiction.. 50 blocks
noth of me there are heroin addicts who are deliberately seeking HIV
needles, because being HIV positive will get them a bigger welfare check.
Welfare is a necessary thing, and I'm glad Canada has such a good "safety
net", I've needed it, on occasion myself.. but, overall, welfare destroys
self esteem and creates as many problems as it solves.

> Like with
>traditional indigenous life, where everything was shared by the tribe and
>nobody went hungry while others wallowed in wealth? Boy, was that a
>co-dependent system!
 So, what happened to it then? Why do some natives starve while others
wallow in wealth? Nobody told them to stop sharing with each other, taking
care of each other, after all that is a Christian ideal, as well. It is a
human ideal.

> If only they hadn't fallen for the whiny victim act of
>widows and children and the elderly, they probably wouldn't be in the sorry
>condition they are now. If only they had asked someone smarter than their
>tradition-bound ancestors for guidance, they might have seen the light. At
>least they've got you to straighten all that up for them now.
  Who are you really so angry at, El? You are projecting a lot of stuff
onto me, that is quite different than what I said. Why is that?

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 than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
~ Harry Emerson Fosdick




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