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Recieved: 2000/05/08 06:42
Subject: Re: [K-list] Entity Clearing
From: Ckress

On 2000/05/08 06:42, Ckress posted thus to the K-list:

Angelique wrote:

<< I got involved with working with Natives clearing ghosty ancestors,
because the ancestors were causing misery to the new generations. The
dysfunctional aspect of ancestor worship is that the dead thought they were
not supposed to go into the light, they thought they were supposed to hang
around and play nagging Mother-in-law to the living.>>

Being Native American or dead doesn't automatically make anyone wise. But
earthbound ghosts aren't the only souls that make contact with the living.
Going into the light doesn't mean disappearing forever or losing all ability
to influence, guide or spiritually interfere with the affairs of the living.

Angelique wrote:

<< As a result, ancestor worship is an major influence in the statistics of
native suicide rates, worldwide. The ancestors try to "persuade" their
descendants to keep to the old ways, and they are not clear/aware/perceptive
enough to understand the old ways are gone forever. The result is the new
generations are get6ting beat up by the ancestors who are supposed to protect
them! They end up taking an "If you can't beat 'em, join em" attitude.

Subject a race of people to genocide; negotiate treaties and break every
single one; herd the survivors into concentration camp "reservations" where
they are denied the basic necessities of life and forbidden to follow their
cultural and religious practices; locate the people in barren regions where
their traditional food sources cannot be found or grown; prohibit hunting and
fishing for sustenance; destroy their families by kidnapping all the children
and raise them in brutal, indoctrinating boarding "schools" where they are
forbidden to speak their native tongue; subject all subsequent generations to
dehumanizing contempt, hatred and exclusion from the dominant culture. And
while you're at it, desecrate burial grounds and put the bones of Grandmother
and Grandfather on display in a museum... Result? Average Native American
lifespan, 45 years. Average unemployment rate: 75-90%. High percentage of
the populace living in abject poverty with little or no medical care and an
epidemic rate of diabetes, gall bladder disease, heart disease, infant
mortality, AIDS. Rampant alcoholism and drug use in Native communities.

And the reason for astronomical suicide rate is? Ancestor-ghosts with an
attitude problem? So by shipping the cranky ancestors to that far away
Cosmic Reservation, all their earthly progeny are saved! And then they can
trade their obsolete traditions for better modern stuff (like New Age
Paganism) and make a killing in the casinos and live long self-absorbed lives
like socially privileged Euro-white folks?
(I think they should have the casinos if they want them, by the way.)

Angelique wrote:

<< As a side note, it was not until I got involved with native issues, that I
discovered Racist entities! Some 2 years back, after I was invited to attend
a Native ritual, and during my entire visit, I was under attack by all manner
of beings that did not approve of a Winged White woman messing with their

Yeah, the nerve of them little buggers to try to drive you away! They did
the same thing when the missionaries came around. For obviously racist
reasons, they seem to mistrust white people who have no respect for the Old
Ways, and they cling to the stupid notion that the ancient covenant they have
with Native Americans is sacred and shouldn't be violated. Good thing you
were there to blast them into astral exile. The last thing the world needs
is to keep alive any vestige of a heart-centered, earth-loving,
ecologically-activist ancient religion.

"It's because we're losing out on everything we have as Indians that there's
been a lot of suicides with young mens over here... We're losing out on our
culture too much, too much, and too fast... The real true meaning of life is
your family, the love that you have, the respect, the traditional ways,
carrying on with them... Some people don't even have enough bread by the end
of the month. Most today can't find jobs. They have to live on welfare, and
the welfare they get is not even enough... It gets harder and harder. I got
three grandsons, and two of them that can't even find work though they've
graduated... Maybe one out of ten make it. They say they want our elders to
put down what they got in them and to pass it on to our young ones. Well,
why don't they give us a chance? They don't... What are we supposed to be
about as Indians? Our way is vanishing." -- Ethel Wilson, Cowichan

"When my mother died, they had this ten-day thing that they release the
spirit of these people, let them go and rest. They didn't do that ceremony
right, the people doing that ceremony didn't know what they were doing... So
I contacted our traditional chiefs. I asked them about having a traditional
feast for my mother to release her, because she had hang-ups about how she
treated me and my sisters. I wanted to let her go. Not to keep her hanging
around on account of that. Just to let her rest in peace... I was having
another ceremony for her and she got released." -- Cecilia Mitchell,

"If we have a Good Mind, a complete Good Mind that we are taught in our
instructions, that's what we should live with daily, but other religions want
to impose another system on us. The other religions don't teach us to use
the Good Mind; they teach us their doctrines. Where's the Good Mind when we
get up in the morning? Do we give thanks that we see daylight? Some of us
don't... My husband bought me a Sony Walkman. I listen to the water drum on
the subway. That's how I keep in touch with my own. I take three subway
trains to get from Brooklyn to Hunter College where I teach. When I get into
the street, I begin my opening ritual. I give thanks to the people, all the
people everywhere, of what they're contributing for this earth to continue,
give thanks to the earth, and go on. I finish it in the subway. Then, at
night after my supper, after I do my dishes and cleaning, I do the closing of
the day or just say, 'I give thanks for having a great day today.' Other
religions want to convert and control. We had to live through that. Now
it's time for the Good Mind." -- Lorraine Canoe, Mohawk

"We've been pushed back all our lives. We lost almost all our land. Just
this one little square is left. We've been pushed back for fishing. Now,
the state is giving us pressure on the hunting, on the clams... I've lived
on fish from since I was born... fish, elk, seal... I wish we could go back
to the way my ancestors had it, because of the closeness we had then. A lot
of it's lost. But it's coming back; it's turning around now... The
strongest people I know of on the Power are the Black Face in Canada... My
mother was Black Face, but Mom's gone. And I'm lost. No one's here to teach
me. None of the elders know anything about it, because they stopped doing
the Black Face here at Hoh about the time they brought in all these things
like the stores and the roads and everything. They knew the Black Face would
never be accepted, and the law under the United States stopped it. Now I'm
wondering and I'm asking people and I'm talking to spiritual doctors and
asking what'd I do next... Indian medicine, the Tomanawis itself, comes to
you; it'll come to you. It's going to come to me." -- Mary Leitka, Hoh

(All quotes above from "Wisdom's Daughters: Conversations with Women Elders
of Native America," published 1993)

"It's our duty to thank everything. That's why I sometimes say that our work
is about being guardians of the country. We're only visiting, and we don't
know when we're going to leave. Only the Creator knows that... The Creator
tells us that we were made from Mother Earth and we will go back to Mother
Earth. But the spirit goes back to the Creator." -- Leon Shenandoah,

"We Native people have had a shattered past. Now, today, we are trying to
pick up all the pieces and put them back together so that our future will not
be so fragmented... The great beautiful thing I learned from the Lakota
people is mitakuye oyasin: all my relations. When they say that, the way it
was explained to me, it's so beautiful. It's so immense because it includes
everyone who was ever born, or even unborn, in the universe, all the
two-leggeds, the four-legged, birds, animals, rocks, and everyone who's here
today. The trees, plants, mountains, sun, moon, stars, and everyone who ever
will be born. How immense can a statement be? All my relations. I marvel
at the beauty of that word, it's so powerful." -- Janet McCloud, Tulalip

(The last two quotes are from "The Book of Elders: The Life Stories and
Wisdom of Great American Indians," published 1994)




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