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Recieved: 2000/03/25 12:26
Subject: Re: [K-list] Blame Canada
From: Ckress

On 2000/03/25 12:26, Ckress posted thus to the K-list:

From: ckressATnospamaol.com

In a message dated 03/25/2000 1:44:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dturinaATnospamiskon.hr writes:

<< But "blame it on the victim" is bullshit, and also "we create our own
 reality". Those things have to be properly understood, or else you get
 situations like justification of rapes in Sai Baba's asram, or murders and
 child molestations in ISKCON - "it was all their karma". Maybe so, but
 certainly not in the sense meant by those who make such statements; their
 karma could be the awakening from the illusion of the cult that they found
 themselves in, and not the punishment for some past crime. Karma is not
 about "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth"; if that was so, everybody would
 be walking around blind and with no teeth in their heads.
 When someone doesn't want to awaken, you first whisper "wake up". Then you
 shake him. Then you speak loudly. Then you yell. Then you kick his ass with
 an army boot. And when all that doesn't work, you pour cold water over him.
 God is not stupid, he never uses excessive force, and my experience is that
 people always get _just enough_ to be pushed in the direction that they
 need. Karma is an excellent tool, and I really admire its creator for it. >>

I agree with everything Danijel says in this post. I'd like to add that in
my experience, adverse and painful experiences can operate on more levels
than simply hitting you in the head with a brick to get your attention. From
what I've observed, people who have experienced a great deal of struggle and
suffering and have ALSO worked to stay spiritually afloat tend to be more
deeply self-aware and to be less naive and superficial in their understanding
of life than those who have breezed through relatively unscathed.

Extremely challenging experiences can function as spiritual initiations:
trials by fire. But I would never, ever suggest that suffering be
deliberately self-inflicted or encouraged in others. Part of the lesson of
suffering is compassion and an expanded capacity to alleviate suffering for
others. And if you're blessed with a gentle, easy-to-manifest-what-you-need
path, I think that's a tremendous gift. If it were given to me, I would
receive it with gratitude and rejoicing. However, that isn't too likely to
happen to me in this lifetime by the looks of my astrological chart, which
shows my chosen mission for this incarnation. Anyone with a lot of
Pluto/Scorpio in their chart has come to dance the dirge of darkness. It is
a very tricky kind of maneuver, but if it is done just so, we learn through
the dancing to reconcile the terrible side of existence. My chart is the
most Plutonian I've ever seen...




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