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Recieved: 2000/01/27 11:21
Subject: [K-list] Sudipt Sen's article, homosexuality,Rig Veda.
From: Tony O'Clery
On 2000/01/27 11:21, Tony O'Clery posted thus to the K-list:
From: Tony O'Clery <aocleryATnospamyahoo.com>
Namaste All,
Re: Torah etc, Jesus being executed; he was hung up
but didn't in all finality die. He rejuvenated the
body and supposedly lived to a ripe old age in
Kashmir. His tomb, the Rozabal is in Srinagar??
What a great post Sudipt! It put it all together
without wasting words, or not seeing the wood for the
words.
Also on the other subject of homosexuality etc, the
DNA, throwing back to when humans were Androgynous.
That is before the analoguous Eve, and after Lilith.
Yes I feel that is possible and so is sex switches
from incarnation to incarnation.
However there is nothing right or wrong about it, only
that which prevents one pointedness in concentration.
The concentration necessary to rise above all desires
and achieve our 'natural non-dual state'.
So whatever expands Love is a plus and whatever
expands desires is a negative, so to speak. The trick
is to do one without expanding the other. Detachment!
So a society agrees on certain common rules to channel
that energy and behaviour.
All this other talk about it being all good at a
higher level and it is karma etc does not excuse what
a society regards as molestation, and manipulation.
For most of us live not at a higher level.
Some Prasad, Thought you might like this Rig.
"There was neither non-existence nor existence then;
there was neither the realm of space nor the sky which
is beyond. What stirred? Where? In whose
protection? Was there water, bottomless deep? "
There was neither death nor immortality then. There
was no distuingishing signs of night and day. That
one breathed, windless, by its own impulse. Other
than that there was nothing beyond,
Darkness was hidden by darkness in the beginning;
with no distinguishing sign all this was water. The
life force that was covered with emptiness, that one
arose through the power of heat,
Desire came upon that one in the beginning; that was
the first seed of mind. Poets seeking in their heart
with wisdom found the bond of existence in
non-existence,
Their cord was extended across. Was there below? Was
there above? There were seed-placers; there were
powers. There was impulse beneath; there was
giving-forth above,
Who really knows? Who will here proclaim it? Whence
was it produced? Whence is this creation? The gods
came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.
Who then knows whence it has arisen?
Whence this creation has arisen-perhaps it formed
itself, or perhaps it did not-the one who looks down
on it, in the highest heaven, only he knows-or perhaps
he does not know.
Rig Veda, 10.29, 1. Nasadiya-Creation Hymn. Wendy
O'Flaherty.Penguin.
It is interesting that the sky as described in the
Veda is that which existed around 8,000 B.C. or
earlier.
Love and Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.
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ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.
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