Recieved: 2000/01/14 21:07
Subject: [K-list] Interesting Perspective
On 2000/01/14 21:07, Ckress posted thus to the K-list:
I received an email from a Sufi teacher pertaining to Kundalini which I found
very interesting. He gave me his permission to post it to the list. (At the
end of his post are some comments I sent in reply to him.)
In a message dated 1/14/00 3:45:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> << I'm a meditation teacher in the Sufi tradition. I've mastered Samadhi,
> the goal of Kundalini work, to the point that my heartbeat stopped for five
> minutes in clinical tests in a hospital here in Boston. Also the Delta
> in my EEG were very high, higher than in deep sleep. These waves are the
> slowest of all brain waves and when produced consciously are another
> indicator of Samadhi. Furthermore, I have many students that have done
> things. Of course these are just the outer indications; the inner
> is one of being beyond life, space, and time, similar to death, in order to
> conquer death's fear and understand life.
> But after 30 years of experience with Samadhi, I've stopped teaching it.
> First, it's just too dangerous. It can easily lead to a variety of mental
> disorders that one doesn't see coming. It's not the "fast path" that many
> think because it takes a long time to recover from the disassociativeness.
> Second, it's not helpful to a life in the world. Samadhi was developed for
> use in a monastic setting. It's amazing and wondrous, but it's only
> half-way. The second half of the path, according to the Sufis, is bringing
> the realization of Samadhi back home and living it out. But for that, the
> method needs to be completely different. Bringing it home uses the
> energy, flowing in the spine in opposition to Kundalini. Also, if you see
> "Living from the Heart" as the goal, then enormous progress can occur
> much Kundalini. So the meditation to practice in the downward type --
> the harder part. Kundalini rises on its own, given even a slight boost
> conscious breathing. The harder part is to steer that energy into the
> and let it express itself in heart-centered behavior.
> Third, it's been done. The frontier of human consciousness has moved on in
> the last three thousand years. There are new challenges today, challenges
> that are as exciting as it must have been for Yogi Patanjali and later the
> Buddha to explore the world "beyond time and no time, beyond space and no
> space, beyond existence and no existence." Instead of aspiring to NO
> thoughts, I aspire to ALL emotions, all at once.
> If you are interested in the meditation of OUR time, concentrate on your
> heart, not your etheric body. It's safe, it's practical, and it's very
> The Web site for the Institute of Applied Meditation is a good place to
> start. http://www.appliedmeditation.org
> Blessings from the heart,
> Puran Bair
The following are my comments to Puran:
While I never developed your discipline for entering Samadhi states at will
(or being able to suspend my biological functions), I began having
spontaneous Samadhi states in the 60's and and Kundalini rose of its own
accord (I was doing no practices to awaken it) in '91. I have experienced
Kundalini-related phenomena daily ever since. I am very impressed by the
innovative view you've expressed. I agree entirely with your emphasis on
allowing oneself to experience the full range of emotions. In both the
modern secular world and in many religious circles, emotion is regarded as an
impediment to clarity of mind and spirit. I find that the opposite is true.
Emotion and symbolic perception are both instinctual and primal intelligence:
the language of the body and soul.
The heart speaks most clearly through emotion and feeling. My heart chakra
radiates heat whenever I am in the presence of someone with great
heart-energy, which is how I can immediately identify them. In a similar
manner, I am moved to tears by anything that expresses love. This is how I
can distinguish the authentic from the imitation (which pervades so much
I used to push away emotional reactions of fear, anger, hurt, etc. when
interacting with others, under the mistaken idea that these were judgmental
responses. Now I appreciate them as an internal barometer which informs me
when something is crying for attention : either something in the
attitudes/ideas/behaviors of another needs to be addressed, and/or I need to
re-examine my own motives and attachments. Sticking with feelings of
fear/anger/woundedness invariably takes me to new levels of awareness and
preserves (or restores) my integrity while enabling me to stay true in
relationship to others.
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