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From: Kundalini

On 2000/01/11 04:32, Kundalini posted thus to the K-list:

-- Topica Digest --

Re: Cold K
By meetjfATnospamemail.msn.com

Re: Cold K
By jdsetlsATnospamsdv.fr

Re: Cold K
By meetjfATnospamemail.msn.com

Wim's tongue mudra
By mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com

Re: I survived Y2K (sort of)
By GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com

Re: I survived Y2K (sort of)
By anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net

Opinions please?
By serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com

The Remembering
By wynterATnospamone.net.au

Re: Opinions please?
By aurasphereATnospamhome.com

Froggy Jacques'opinion (Opinions please?)
By jdsetlsATnospamsdv.fr


Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:14:06 -0800
From: "jf" <meetjfATnospamemail.msn.com>
Subject: Re: [K-list] Cold K

Tom said>Hi folks,
> As to running cold Glenn Morris mentions this in his books. This has to
>do with running excess yin energy instead of yang>>snip

Yes Tom,
   I mentioned this to the person who was running very cold. I tried BK
Franzis water method ( I have one of his books) to remove blocks that I
didn't have and almost froze myself to death. So be careful in assuming
that because you have pain that you have blocks.....this is not always so.
Especially if you have full body pain. I mostly ran hot to the point that I
would heat up small rooms. The good side is that I am more balanced now and
only tend to run real hot during the night. And people, we really need to
remember to snip, these messages are running really long and take forever to
download. TIA. Much love, Julie


Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:21:28 +0100
From: Jacques de Schryver et Linda Steven <jdsetlsATnospamsdv.fr>
CC: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Cold K


Can you tell me more about the BK Franzis water method ?


Greetings from France,

Froggy Jacques
Jacques De Schryver et Linda Steven
Site de Linda : http://www.multimania.com/lsteven


Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:36:29 -0800
From: "jf" <meetjfATnospamemail.msn.com>
Subject: Re: [K-list] Cold K


>Can you tell me more about the BK Franzis water method ?
>Greetings from France,
>Froggy Jacques
Sure Jacques,
   I have BK Frantzis's book "Opening the Energy Gates of Your Body". He
has many others. It is a Taoist method to remove blocks and get your energy
moving. Using the yin side of your energy. You can Learn much more by
looking into his site: http://www.energyarts.com/
   He does teach you how to feel if you have blocks or not...how to listen
to your own body and know if they are there. I listened to others who said
I must have them because I had pain , against my own feelings that said I
didn't, and I about froze myself. It took almost five hours to get myself
able to move again...so I again caution....Feel first and melt later.
Listen to your own body, and learn how to feel the blocks first (if any).
Much love, Julie


Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:59:27 0000
From: "winter mute" <mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com>
Subject: Wim's tongue mudra

On Sun, 09 Jan 2000 14:25:10 Wim Borsboom wrote:

>And sharing this unexplicable, untellable and inexpressible reality that all
>this is
>So here goes......

LOLOL ! Thank you very much for that
Wim ! :))

Your kindness is something special. :)

Many hugs and warm clouds of energy to
you. :)

>For me all this has been a long lonely >struggle....

That is a good description of the process,
a struggle, a climbing of a tall mountain,
but also a struggle for love
and a labor of love. :)
I suppose
the way we take is reflected in us as the last
caskets to burn.

Maybe we all create our own rebirth at the
dawn of the being.
I think when the Self moves, so do we,
even from a distance.
Its will is ours and its will is celebrating
the re-appearance of itself in itself.

>So different now, my
>life is going on so intensively, Michelle, the lady who came to live with me
>and Emmy is teaching us so much about enhanced physical aspects of love. It
>is so good to be here on earth...and stuff....
>Stop ?? No way .....
>So here goes......

LOL ! You have reasons to feel lucky
with your loved ones around.

Don't stop the tears of joy,
they are longing, gratitude and devotion
manifest. We are the manifest. :)

Please write more about the bandhas
when you have the time.

Yes, angels... I think sometimes demons are
angels in disguise.

I met a demonic thought form last night and
mustered up enough courage to love it and
ask it:
"Who are you really ?".
It threw away its dark cowl and hood and
scary face and
revealed itself as an angel of light.
A blast of white light emitted from the demon/
angel. I hope I can ask more scary thought
forms the same.




Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:49:49 EST
From: GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com
CC: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] I survived Y2K (sort of)

In a message dated 1/9/00 3:28:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, ckressATnospamaol.com

 Are we still on topica? I've really been in the ozone for the past couple
 weeks. On Christmas day '99, an infection I'd noticed a few days earlier
 my upper thigh) had become much more swollen and scary-looking. After
 several days of natural remedies failed to improve my condition, I saw an
 M.D. From this experience I discovered that I am now allergic to the
 spectrum of antibiotics (penicillins, cephalosporins, erythromycins) that
 considered generally nontoxic (there are others which are so dangerous they
 can practically kill you if you look at them -- fat chance I could tolerate
 those!). So while everyone else rolled into Y2K without mishap, my
 rolled back to 1900, pre-advent of antibiotics. A freaky revelation...
 I've been knocked out from the infection (if that's what it really was) and
 the aftermath of my antibiotic meltdown ever since, although each day I feel
 a bit better. Last night the whole episode worked itself into a poem, which
 I have posted below.
 El >>

Dear El,
  Hey, great poem! Reading about this dark, toothless demon that
has chosen to be incarnated on your leg reminded me of "Rosemary's Baby"!
But l'm so sorry to hear about this and glad that you're doing better. l
assume that your allergic reaction to antibiotics was caused by k, in that
you didn't have a reaction to them before. ln addition to feeling very sorry
to hear this, my other reaction was one of feeling a chill, as it reminded me
so much of the ordeal l just went thru a few months ago with my toe
infection. You'll recall that l'd never had a problem with antibiotics
before, but this showed l had a strongly adverse reaction to them. l don't
know if it qualified as an allergic reaction, but it was bad enough that l
knew l couldn't take them. l tolerated keflex ok at first, but then a broader
spectrum antibiotic caused a reaction -- then when l tried to return to
keflex, that caused a reaction too -- a reaction similar to the one you
l wonder: has anyone else out there had this sort
of reaction to antibiotics that appears related to k? Anyway, El, it
sounds like you're about over the hump on this --- my toe remained swollen
well after the infection was licked. Sounds like with Charles' TLC you can't
help but get well.



Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:23:54 -0600
From: Jenell <anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net>
CC: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] I survived Y2K (sort of)

I'd offer to try to focus some healing energies in your direction, but
after how they seem to have maybe affected you the last time i tried
that, I doubt if you want to use this situation to see if it really was
that that sent you sort of into never never land at the time! Do hope
and pray you get better quickly.

> I've been knocked out from the infection (if that's what it really was) and
> the aftermath of my antibiotic meltdown ever since, although each day I feel
> a bit better.



Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:16:53 -0800
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: Opinions please?

I'd like some feedback from the members about topica.com, our new
listserv. Namely, should we stay here or move to onelist.com?
  If we move to onelist we won't be the Kundalini list anymore coz Tamra
took that name already. We can be the Kundalini-Gateway list tho..
I don't mind Topica, it seems to work OK.. I don't mind moving the list
either.. but I am looking for votes to see what Y'all think..

 Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com
  Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :)
 <<<< I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
 <<<< than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
 <<<< -- Harry Emerson Fosdick



Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:55:34 +1100
From: Christopher Wynter <wynterATnospamone.net.au>
Subject: The Remembering

In the Beginning … Genesis

Underneath the myths and legends ...
… underneath the codings of religion, education and learned behaviour

Coded deep within the cells in the unconscious of your body
are the memories of Hu-man creation ...
... each of us remember
... and we search for them
… in our spirituality, in our relationships
… and in our children
Deep in the unconscious of our ancestral or genetic remembering
Each of us has the remembering of a time that we were neither male nor female
 and had neither mother nor father.

Our whole individual lives are the microcosmic cycle
of the macrocosm of evolution of the species we know as homo sapiens.

The question is … will manity wake up to Hu ..
or will the human race go the way of the microcosm body ..
ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

As far as we (myself, Fiona, and my group here in Tasmania
have gone back into our remembering,
it is now possible to move forward in conscious consciousness,
as opposed to the conscious forgetting and religious denial
(and the unconscious consciousness)
 which has been the path of evolution thus far,
 and which has resulted in disease and disharmony
 pain and suffering
 in all of their visible and invisible manifestations.

Yet, within the disease, disharmony, pain and suffering,
lies the impetus for the return journey ..
and every virus is merely an unconscious trigger for the return to
innocence ..
 the real-isation of end of separation,

the realisation that what we are seeking, we already are..
and have forgotten.
Words and Language are the greatest limitation

Within the confines and the preconceptions of words and language,
it is difficult to tell the story of the remembering of Hu-man
 as it is carried within the cells of the body.

For some of the concepts are beyond the possible imaginings
which have been limited by learning
and religion … so far ...
In what follows, Fiona and I have tried to find the words
to paint a picture of the remembering
that has come from the bodies of our selves and our group ..
 at the end of the longest journey .. the journey of the self
 back to its conception.

This body that write these words now, is, at the moment a little tired ..
and is, with the releases of many, many layers of past conditioning,
 a little wobbly in vision and comprehension of what was once,
 consensus reality.

These are not learnings, they are rememberings
of what has come up out of our bodies ...
and with their release, there is a massive shift
in the holding patterns of posture and deportment,
accompanied by the release of many tears,
and much pain that has seen the body structure
form as it has over countless generations.

We have learned that each of our hopes and fears and dreams
has been an aspect of this story
as seen through our own genetic perceptual filters,
our learned beliefs .. the way we have been taught it is.

And we have had to find another way, other words to use
that do not have kinesthetic triggers ….

The No thing

The most overcoming "power" of all is the power of the "no-thing"

as it absorbs and encompasses all pairs of opposites
merging any "do-ing" of creative will with its opposite
to return it to the pure potential from which
it was separated by thought.

This is beyond "love' as consensus consciousness knows the word ...

but is the altruistic all embracing love which cannot be described...
for the definition of which has been defiled
by words imposed by thought which keep it separate from the "no-thing"

The original "First Holy Communion" was the communication and union
experienced between the asexual innocent, with itself, within itself and
by itself.
The total communion of body, heart, mind and essence… no separation.

The asexual innocent had no Mother, No Father
and was neither male nor female.
And the cells of the body carry that remembering within
many of the non sexed chromosomes .. or autosome.

Atman … or The Ancient of Days.

When we place a shell to our ear, we hear what we describe as the ocean,
And we are unconsciously reminded of the formless silence of the no-thing ..

It was from this that thought took shape and form … the shape was Hu …

Over time, many forgot their origins within the silence ..
forgot that they came from the no thing …
feared their inability to recreate
and sought survival ..
and others to re-create that bridge with that remembering

And so within the Atmic body, the asexual innocent,
one autosome split into a sexed Chromosome,
male and female, X and Y …
And in the unconscious, beyond words,
was the remembering.
And so evolved the androgyne …
 and physical reproduction ….

all of this before the separation of the sexes.

Life, death, religion....
the spiritual quest all begin and end
  within the memory contained in the cells of the body.

Therein lies the truth hidden, forgotten, denied, forbidden,
… fought for and died for ….

The truth of the innocence of every person …
Born innocent, as a child
… in full remembering of their essence

and manipulated into conscious forgetting.

Christopher and Fiona
Hobart Tasmania

discussion list


Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:31:09 -0800
From: "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphereATnospamhome.com>
Subject: Re: [K-list] Opinions please?

Topica worked for me, as far as I could see.
It is somewhat quiet, so I was wondering if everyone indeed is getting
everyone's posts.
Whatever the majority goes for is OK though.
I always did like the term Kundalini Gateway.
My vote though is to stay with Topica


Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:15:24 +0100
From: Jacques de Schryver et Linda Steven <jdsetlsATnospamsdv.fr>
CC: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com, kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Froggy Jacques'opinion (Opinions please?)

Hello all,

First Angelique, thanks for asking advice.

I just dont mind what list we are on, since as well this one
and previously Onelist gave me whole satisfaction.

Lol, Tamra jumped into the warm bed you had left, Angelique.

That is too funny.

Greetings from the pond,

Froggy Jacques

Jacques De Schryver et Linda Steven
Site de Linda : http://www.multimania.com/lsteven


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