Recieved: 1999/12/13 17:16
Subject: Re: [K-list] judgement or enquiry
From: kim fisher
On 1999/12/13 17:16, kim fisher posted thus to the K-list:
To whom can one point a judgement toward?.
For when one judges it is twice fold in return.
Can one choose to think that one can have an ability
to judge anothers "faith" or religion?.
Does one know a spiritual hindu?, christian, shamman?,
Can one state that even though one chooses to worship
something that they have only been taught does that
make that one wrong?. For what they have not had the
chance to know?.
What does one worship here in this wordly level?,
cars, boats, homes, clothes, egos, money. Does that
make one wrong for not knowing?.
Before one can choose to point a finger make sure that
"all" closets are cleaned out from the one that maybe
doing the pointing. Other wise the sounds that you are
stating are just mere clanging cymbols.
Which just talk loud but donot say anything with any
Kim (aka) Allahundra
still waiting to be removed off this list
> Don't you think that all the main religions of the
> world are outmoded?
> They're all too old. Thousands of years old. It's
> like the spiritual
> essence which motivated them has gone and that all
> that's left are the
> rituals. (With maybe the exception of shamanism,
> which seems to be a
> do-it-yourself religion with no priests keeping
> knowledge for themselves and
> telling the masses what to do, and also Hinduism
> with it's guru
> tradition)(The last may be my own personal bias, but
> there you are.)
> >From: "peter j bolton"
> >Reply-To: "peter j bolton"
> >To: KundaliniATnospamList-Server.net
> >Subject: Re: [K-list] judgement or enquiry
> >Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:53:14 +0800
> >On 10 Dec 99, at 22:59, CKRESSATnospamaol.com wrote:
> >and so you should listen to the counsel of your
> >I think that i didn't say that which you refer to
> clearly; i apologize.
> >enquire into everything and keep an open mind,
> >don't accept anything and
> >don't be too eager to judge unless you have all the
> >By 'judge' i mean being judgemental and/or
> definition beyond
> >of having all the facts: in the matter of religion
> as a capacity of
> >man, I doubt if any man has all the facts. It then
> follows that more
> >enquiry is usually necessary. I am not an advocate
> of blind faith,
> >true believerism or cults. Each Man/Woman is unique
> and is to be
> >counted so.
> >and the question as to what religion is; it should
> be examined in
> >depth and detail with the full scope of resources
> that man has
> >please don't interpret 'judge' in the same
> reference as 'weigh',
> >'consider' or compare.
> > > In a message dated 12/10/1999 5:21:07 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> > > peterboltonATnospamsuperconsciousness.org writes:
> > >
> > > > > However, I disagree on judging them by the
> fruit they bear...
> > > > > William
> > > > > James thinks that religion must be judged
> by its fruits, but I
> > > > > think they should not be judged at all.
> True religion (of which
> > > > > Samadhi is IMO a part, even if it's not a
> necessity) can't be
> > > > > judged, graded or dissected.
> > > > >
> > > > Being judgemental suggests that one has *all*
> the facts of the
> > > > matter at hand and one stands on an
> independant platform;
> > > > attributes that very few - if any - bear. But
> religion, as a force
> > > > or capacity available to intelligent man as a
> direct result of
> > > > being a creation of intelligence within a
> closed system with no
> > > > obvious evidence of outside intervention,
> suggests to that it is an
> > > > event horizon for enquiry for both
> philosophical and scientific
> > > > criterea. It is a part of us and who really
> are we if we don't know
> > > > what we are? respect peter
> > >
> > > Say what?
> > >
> > > Even to say that spiritual experience and
> religion shouldn't be judged
> > > is a judgment. A lot of the specious
> > > that fuels esotericults is built around the
> > > you-don't-know-enough-to-judge-what-I'm-saying
> precept (just as it
> > > keeps the fundamentalist followers from rocking
> the boat by asking
> > > questions).
> > >
> > > Hey, do what thou wilt. Turn off your mind and
> float downstream... or
> > > into the local septic tank, whichever way the
> flow takes you. Call me
> > > a fool or an ego-ramus, but I'm listening to the
> counsel of my heart
> > > before I dive in the water.
> >listen and decide what you will; there is no
> judgement inferred here?
> > >
> > > El
> > >
> >peter j bolton
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