Recieved: 1999/12/10 21:53
Subject: Re: [K-list] judgement or enquiry
From: peter j bolton
On 1999/12/10 21:53, peter j bolton posted thus to the K-list:
On 10 Dec 99, at 22:59, CKRESSATnospamaol.com wrote:
and so you should listen to the counsel of your heart.
I think that i didn't say that which you refer to clearly; i apologize.
enquire into everything and keep an open mind,
don't accept anything and
don't be too eager to judge unless you have all the facts.
By 'judge' i mean being judgemental and/or definition beyond
of having all the facts: in the matter of religion as a capacity of
man, I doubt if any man has all the facts. It then follows that more
enquiry is usually necessary. I am not an advocate of blind faith,
true believerism or cults. Each Man/Woman is unique and is to be
and the question as to what religion is; it should be examined in
depth and detail with the full scope of resources that man has
please don't interpret 'judge' in the same reference as 'weigh',
'consider' or compare.
> In a message dated 12/10/1999 5:21:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> peterboltonATnospamsuperconsciousness.org writes:
> > > However, I disagree on judging them by the fruit they bear...
> > > William
> > > James thinks that religion must be judged by its fruits, but I
> > > think they should not be judged at all. True religion (of which
> > > Samadhi is IMO a part, even if it's not a necessity) can't be
> > > judged, graded or dissected.
> > >
> > Being judgemental suggests that one has *all* the facts of the
> > matter at hand and one stands on an independant platform;
> > attributes that very few - if any - bear. But religion, as a force
> > or capacity available to intelligent man as a direct result of
> > being a creation of intelligence within a closed system with no
> > obvious evidence of outside intervention, suggests to that it is an
> > event horizon for enquiry for both philosophical and scientific
> > criterea. It is a part of us and who really are we if we don't know
> > what we are? respect peter
> Say what?
> Even to say that spiritual experience and religion shouldn't be judged
> is a judgment. A lot of the specious mental-gymnastic-double-talk
> that fuels esotericults is built around the
> you-don't-know-enough-to-judge-what-I'm-saying precept (just as it
> keeps the fundamentalist followers from rocking the boat by asking
> Hey, do what thou wilt. Turn off your mind and float downstream... or
> into the local septic tank, whichever way the flow takes you. Call me
> a fool or an ego-ramus, but I'm listening to the counsel of my heart
> before I dive in the water.
listen and decide what you will; there is no judgement inferred here?
peter j bolton
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