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Recieved: 1999/12/10 20:59
Subject: Re: [K-list] judgement or enquiry
From: Ckress

On 1999/12/10 20:59, Ckress posted thus to the K-list:

In a message dated 12/10/1999 5:21:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
peterboltonATnospamsuperconsciousness.org writes:

> > However, I disagree on judging them by the fruit they bear... William
> > James thinks that religion must be judged by its fruits, but I think
> > they should not be judged at all. True religion (of which Samadhi is
> > IMO a part, even if it's not a necessity) can't be judged, graded or
> > dissected.
> >
> Being judgemental suggests that one has *all* the facts of the
> matter at hand and one stands on an independant platform;
> attributes that very few - if any - bear.
> But religion, as a force or capacity available to intelligent man as a
> direct result of being a creation of intelligence within a closed
> system with no obvious evidence of outside intervention, suggests
> to that it is an event horizon for enquiry for both philosophical and
> scientific criterea. It is a part of us and who really are we if we don't
> know what we are?
> respect
> peter

Say what?

Even to say that spiritual experience and religion shouldn't be judged is a
judgment. A lot of the specious mental-gymnastic-double-talk that fuels
esotericults is built around the
you-don't-know-enough-to-judge-what-I'm-saying precept (just as it keeps the
fundamentalist followers from rocking the boat by asking questions).

Hey, do what thou wilt. Turn off your mind and float downstream... or into
the local septic tank, whichever way the flow takes you. Call me a fool or
an ego-ramus, but I'm listening to the counsel of my heart before I dive in
the water.



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