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Recieved: 1999/12/10  20:02  
Subject: Re: [K-list] Another poll. Samadhi 
From: Ckress
  
On 1999/12/10  20:02, Ckress posted thus to the K-list: 
Thanks Robert, Ville, Jerry, Amanda, et. al. for your insightful comments on  
my last post.  Amanda mentioned Nietzsche, who apparently also lost the  
distinction between personal self and universal Self... he was in and out of  
mental institutions throughout his life, and during one of his  
hospitalizations, he announced, "Rejoice!  I am God, and I have created this  
caricature!"
 
In a message dated 12/9/1999 9:28:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
Robert_WeilATnospamscientia.com writes:
 
> I've known K-activated ppl who have continued to behave as they had done 
>  before, albeit slowly changing. The seeing of cause and effect seemed to be 
>  mediated through the belief systems that the person had developed up till 
>  then. Their ability to see through others' automated lives did not seem to 
>  do a 180 degree turn to their own beliefs. However, they were able to learn 
>  lessons beyond the conditioned responses of ppl around them, and often 
>  could see the quality of a person's behaviour as an expression of that 
>  person's Self. This did not stop them taking advantage sometimes. If they 
>  wished they could help the other ppl along, but it was no panacea. Seems to 
>  me that much stuff still needs to be drawn through the fire before one can 
>  say that one is cleared of egotistical motives. 
 
His paragraph mentions concepts that often come up in discussions of  
spirituality.  I'd like to address a couple of them (apart from the context  
of Robert's observation about the course some people seem to follow).
 
(1) Most people live automated, conditioned lives. 
Did anyone else notice this in their childhood?  I mean, were you aware of  
how robotic and inauthentic adults were in their words, attitudes and  
behaviors?  Most children are far more real until they reach adolescence,  
which is why young children are such wonderful teachers for reconnecting to  
the spontaneity of being.
 
(2) Belief systems 
I read an article some years ago about spiritual conversions taking one of  
two paths.  The most common across the board is when one's prior belief  
system is found to be restrictive, self-damaging or otherwise dysfunctional,  
and is consequently traded in for a different belief structure.  A very  
simplistic example: "Whoever dies with the most toys wins" is replaced by  
"Life is a gift."
 
On this path, every targeted belief is replaced by a different belief or  
affirmation (often an opposite one).  To give only a few of endless possible  
examples: "I'm worthless" becomes "I'm valuable."  "The world is full of  
evil" becomes "Nothing is real but love."  "I'm powerless" becomes "I'm  
empowered" (or if you're in AA, "I'm in control" becomes "I admit that I am  
powerless...").  "Money and fame will bring me happiness" changes to "Christ  
is my salvation."  "I'm angry and miserable because of external provocations"  
becomes "I'm reacting this way because of my ego."  In this overhaul of  
programming, one is constantly monitoring one's thoughts/words to eliminate  
old "wrong, destructive" beliefs and upgrading to new "positive, healthy"  
beliefs.  
 
The author of the article had labeled these paths but I forget what.  I'll  
rename them the Travelling-with-brand-new-luggage path and the  
Travelling-lite-path.  With the Travelling-with-brand-new-luggage path, one  
continually tells oneself "this is what I should be thinking/feeling/doing"  
or "This is what I know to be true, so I will evaluate everything according  
to how much it supports this truth."
 
The Travelling-lite-path is when the old beliefs are set aside for a  
"beginner's mind" approach to life.  One's life becomes a very interesting  
moment-by-moment experience of adventure, discovery and ever-deepening  
awareness, with no guarantee of where it will lead.  Beliefs may still be  
held, but in an open palm, ready to be chucked if something arises that  
seriously invalidates them.  There's a lot of letting go and learning to get  
out of your own way on this path.  At times there's a sense of doing a high  
wire act without a safety net, which makes it exhilarating but also  
potentially more dangerous than sticking with the tour guide's recommended  
handrail bridge route.
 
On the Travelling-lite-path, all you need carry with you is an ability to be  
attentive, self-honesty and a love of exploration.  It has to come from love,  
otherwise you won't have the courage or endurance to allow yourself to find  
out what's really happening, because some of the surprises aren't so  
pretty... and some are more amazing and beautiful than you ever could have  
imagined.
 
Lots of us are on a combination of the new-luggage and no-luggage trips.   
Eventually we settle in with the one which is best suited to our nature.
 
El
 
 
 
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