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Recieved: 1999/12/10  06:48  
Subject: Re: [K-list] Another poll. Samadhi 
From: Ville Vainio
  
On 1999/12/10  06:48, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list: 
On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com wrote:
 
>         Thank you, El, for a wonderful post which contained so many 
> worthwhile insights from fellow travelers. l really appreciate your 
> pulling all this together. IMO it can't be said too often that simply 
> having mystical experiences doesn't necessarily make one person more 
> highly evolved than one who hasn't, and that they ultimately make up 
> only a small part of the work that needs to be done.  Truly such 
> experiences are best judged by the fruit they bear.
 
I agree on the significance of mystical experiences (which here refers to 
Samadhi). They really aren't necessary, personality can be forced (through 
k) to assume an "awakened" form without ever having had Samadhi. I've read 
somewhere that some tryptamines, I can't recall whether it was DET, DIPETE 
or whatever (probably some relative of DMT), can induce Samadhi quite 
predictably. If the sole goal of yoga was Samadhi, why bother when you 
could just light up a pipe & inhale? If one happens to get Samadhi, good 
for him, I must admit that mine transformed my life completely, but it's 
really nothing to be bragged about... It might well be that "strong" 
personalities never have any spiritual experiences at all, while "weak" 
personalities exhibit them as some sort of erroneous functioning. 
 
However, I disagree on judging them by the fruit they bear... William 
James thinks that religion must be judged by its fruits, but I think they 
should not be judged at all. True religion (of which Samadhi is IMO a 
part, even if it's not a necessity) can't be judged, graded or dissected.
 
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi    http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio 
 Wild geese have no intention to cast a reflection 
 Water has no mind to assume their form
 
 
 
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