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Recieved: 1999/12/10 05:51
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re. K List. Re- Sushumna
From: Marion Hanvey
On 1999/12/10 05:51, Marion Hanvey posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Jenell,
Thank you for your letter.
In answer to your last point, of course I don't think that anyone
experiencing kundalini rising chose or planned to experience pain. That
thought never occured to me, why would it?
The reason I asked in the first place if anybody had any techniques for
raising kundalini through sushumna, was because in the East and especially
in India, they have such a vast and comprehensive knowledge of the bodies,
the energy system, enlightenment and all that, that I thought why tread a
path that someone has trodden before?
Why rediscover a place if there's already a map? That's all.
Thanks for everything.
Best wishes
Loulou
P.S. A friend of mine experiences a surge of energy up the spine and into
the head, like bolts of electicity, every time she practises Reiki. I don't
experience it like that. I experience a gentle energy coming up through the
soles of my feet, followed by a gentle energy coming in through the crown of
my head and then the energies mingling in my body, so as you say,
everybody's experience is different.
>From: Jenell <anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net>
>Reply-To: Jenell <anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net>
>To: Marion Hanvey <loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com>
>CC: kundaliniATnospamList-Server.net
>Subject: Re: [K-list] Re. K List. Re- Sushumna
>Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 23:45:19 -0600
>
>Marion Hanvey wrote:
> >
> > Dear Jenell and List
> > Thank you for your replies.
> > The reason why I don't want pain, especially emotional pain(I don't want
>the
> > other kind either) is that in pain you lose your dispassion.
> > Pain throws you back into an egocentric way of experiencing the world,
>back
> > in the forest of delusion.
>
>an example of how things affect people differently. I FOUND the ability
>to expereience dispassion through experience with pain. And it was pain
>that led me away from egocentricism, and developed within me wyas of
>better experiencing and recognizing reality, to free myself of delusion.
>One is only passionate in response to pain until it reaches the breaking
>point of one's endurance to fight it. Then one can accept and surrender
>to it, and at that point, it loses it's power over you, as does what
>ever was causing the pain.
>
> At least that is my experience. I know you
> > should accept things with the power of the Self and that what comes will
> > come and go away, but that can be very hard to hold on to sometimes when
> > you're hurting so much, and in such a disbelieving way. (Hello Judas!!)
> > That is what happened to me.
>
>I'm sorry. Yes, I do know that place, too. But while it may be difficult
>for you to understand, I wouldn't have when I was there, either, it was
>actually MORE pain that brought me out of that. Much of the stimuli for
>that pain is still there, but I've gone beyond it, become dispassionate
>about/toward it, no longer allow it to gain strngth through my fighting
>against it.
>
>
> Something came out of left field in a way that
> > if asked about as a possibility I would have said it was impossible.
> > Although the shock of trying to regain equilibrium sent me back on to
>the
> > spiritual path, which I had left, so maybe there is something bigger
>here
> > than what I know.
>
>I was well on in my years bwefore God began to reeal to me just what I
>had learend through my more difficult times, traumas I'd have never
>thought to find anything 'good' in, that come out of them. But now I am
>aware that it did. and much, I couldn't have, wouldn't have, learned,
>gained, in any other way.
>
>(Listen God, why couldn't you just have sent me a dream?)
> > Mystress Angelique, I tried your grounding exercise and it was great.
> > I felt grounded and calm and in control for the first time in 2 years.
> > I then tried the other exercises, felt unbalanced again, and thought
>"sod
> > this".
>
>Each of us must find what works for us. there is obviously a lot of
>difference.
>
>I also tried your pinch test, and you're right. Whatever you resist
> > will persist, hey?
>
>Tie this thought into what I've said here about pain leading us to
>dispassin.
>
>
> > Jenell, I still think sushumna holds a key, otherwise why would the
>books
> > say "sushumna is the nadi most beloved by the yogis"?
>
>I'd not be the one to say on that, or try to explain what anyone else
>speaks of their own expereicne. I can only speak from my own, and the
>others expereiences I've become aware of. My own, and most of those I've
>encountered, have been spontaneous awakenings, not involving any
>deliberate 'path' toward raising 'k'. I'm coming to think there is a
>vast difference between spontaneous awakenings, and those that involved
>the Eastern disciplines with planned stages and such. Spontaneous
>awakenings tend to be, it seems to me, usually pretty wild trips, but
>often very fast and strong in the opening and progression, moving into
>and through stages the students of Eastern studies take years, even
>lifetimes to get through, in a matter of weeks or months. Maybe it's
>that all those earlier stages have just been passing unnoticed for our
>not knowing what they were, and it doesn't 'hit' us that something
>incredible is happening until the mega-volt lightning bolt shoots
>through us and suddenly, we are AWAKE! My own came very suddenly and
>dramatically, I can pin point the very moment, and that's juyst what it
>was like, a lightning bolt shooting through me, and as it did, it
>flipped on the master switch. the shatki, electrical, energies,
>paranormal phenomenon, etc., the really wild stuff, started fast and
>powerfully, didn't even start to cool down for many months. I've now,
>over three years later, only just begun to get a pretty good handle on
>those aspects of it.
>
>Now, in no way am I criticising your desire to avoid pain. But i think
>what I, and others here, would mean to convey to you, is that in
>arousing 'k', you are very much at risk of encountering just that, that
>you CANNOT control it like that, to assure yourself of that. and once
>aroused, we can't just take a sample and decide we don't want it after
>all, box it up and send it back.
>
>Do you think any of us that have experienced pain related to it PLANNED
>that, CHOSE that?
>
>Jenell
>
> >
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