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Recieved: 1999/12/08 17:08
Subject: Re: [K-list] Clean and Pure
From: Jenell
On 1999/12/08 17:08, Jenell posted thus to the K-list:
Maureen Heffernan wrote:
>
>
> > As I read "the Holy Spirit is outside of space-time" it means
> that the
> > Holy
> > Spirit is "something" that exists independent of material creation,
> > something
> > capable of surviving the void.
> ~~*+M~*
> Read your post 4 times to let it sink in.
>
Will share some thoughts, perceptions, from my own spiritual
experiences. I think when we all describe it each our own different
choises of words and analogies, it helps us all to find the
'commonality' that exists with what might at first seem our percieing
differently. we just describe it dfferently, that which cannot
adequately be described.
What I percieve here is the Holy Spirit as that agent, means, power,
whatever one wants to call it, through and by which the all brings
matter into being, keeps it 'in being'. What I percieve as the 'Christ'
is that which is the 'connection' between us, matter, and the Holy
Spirit, or the power, the energy, that flows through Christ to us here
in matter. Christ is the connection, the channel, the conduit, for the
power, which is the Holy Spirit. Therefore, all we are aware of in this
realm of matter is 'in christ', becasue it is christ through which it is
'existining, in our concept and awareness of existence.
Therefore, yes, the Holy Spirit exists apart from, 'survives' the void,
becasue it is the agency throgh which the thought consciousness withing
the void 'creates', or, as one here put it, 'imagines' this realm of
matter, and us, into existence. The very essence of existence here, and
of how we exist, our 'life force', etc, we recieve through Christ, even
without conscious awareness of it. Remeber, Jesus said Christ is the
light and the LIFE.
when through that connection, the 'Christ', we enter into conscious
awareness of that power, that energy, that source of intellegence, we
also then come to something of a means of being able to not only recive
basic existence and life functions, but touch the All, the intellegnece,
of the All consciousness. Or god consciousness.
When I 'expereience' the 'filling' of the Holy Spirit, it is as if the
'connection', the hook up, so to speak, was always there, is always
there, but until I am 'aware', 'awakened'. only enough trikles through
the connection to caase me to 'be', and 'be' as a 'living' creature in
this realm. The outlet for the Spirit to 'fill' me is within me already,
is the sourcr of the life force energy. When I open to Spirit awareness,
it's as if I've opened the 'spigot' within me, while it starts with a
shift' in my mind, my brain, the feeling of the 'filling' really seems
for me to start in my heart center, it is warm, then hot, pulsing,
sometimes tingling, and it from there begins to spread, radiate outward,
so that I feel as I'm being 'permeated' throughout my body, it often
feels like liquid fire is coursing through my arteries and veins, out to
every part of m body via the cappilaries, but not painful, more like a
delicious feeling of it, from that 'source', that 'spigot', within my
heart center.
the more this progesses, the stronger it gets, the more I begin to
'lose' awareness of my ordinary body, I feel weightless, formless, like
I'm just a wonderfully warm, glowing ball of energy, absolutely imersed
in and saturated with the purest sense of love and peace. I can magine
that this must be something of what was told of people, martyrs, that
endured torurous deaths, with not a whimper or cry, remaining serene and
peaceful, faces looking as if they were in a state of serene bliss even
as the flames of the fires began to touch their bodies. And yet, I have
full awareness through this, even of my surroundings, but it is sort of
filtered, I'm observing, but not expereiencing reaction to it. In fact,
there is a sense of heightened awarenss, I note details I wouldn't
otherwise, yet at the same time, 'tune out' the irrelevant, the
distracting, or painful, ec.
> > When the Holy Spirit
> > "enters" us it does so via that of itself that is already present within
> > ourselves. In other words: that which enters was already there. It is
> > our
> > ability to recognize it that changes.
Yes, recognize it, and 'experience' it's fuller presence.
> ~~*+M~*
> I think the best way I saw it worded was that Spirit is mounted on the
> shoulders of matter.
Or that matter is mounted on the shoulders of Spirit.
I don't believe them to be separate. I do agree
> that "that which enters was already there" and it ignites the spark
> into a flame. I guess the perception is that that flame grows in
> different levels. Maybe if it grows slowly in its increase it is
> percieved more from within and if one is like sitting in a seat at a
> darkened football stadium with one little flashlight and then all the
> house lights go up, it is percieved more from without.
A thought here. when this happens to me, my perceptions of that which is
'without chages, I'm percieving it from a different persepctive. Perhpas
this is akin to the idea that when it seems that God has changed, it is
really us that have changed, our perspective of God.
>
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